I tested this function on PTR a few days ago (with the 4.2 PTR guild my old char was still in), it worked perfectly.
I tested this function on PTR a few days ago (with the 4.2 PTR guild my old char was still in), it worked perfectly.
Not sure what awful palce you work but depending on role and employment contract our staff get between 4 and 6 weeks leave per annum, it is more common than not to take all the leave at the same time, or even put this years and part of next years back to back - I have had 5 or 6 staff in the past 12 months take more than 6 weeks leave ina single block
Sorry but in the real world this sort of thing is common, just not in your world
Another money grab by Blizzard. Scare GMs into not taking breaks, and automate this "service" so Activision can fire a few more customer service people. I don't think Blizzard understands the value of a figurehead or symbolic leader. I've built a community over the course of 6 years, and tailored it to a place people want to be. I've provided an ad free website and Ventrilo all that time to bring added value to the organization. I've got good officers, but they're good at raid leading, recruiting, website management, and other specific areas. Not all of them are fit to make the big calls on overall policy, and some have shortcomings to go with their strongpoints that would make it an outright disaster. If our temperamental raid leader was to get control of the whole kit and kaboodle, it wouldn't be long before a guild with over 125 accounts ceased to be a hospitable and recognizable environment for many of the members. Turning a 6 year old organization that's been rock steady for people on its head by ousting the founder and chief of guild philosophy is a sure way to help usher many of those accounts into cancellation, since community is what's really keeping some of these hangers on around, as WoW continues to decline due to staleness and bad corporate and developer decisions.
I don't see where the problem is. First of all, you have the chance to take over the GM it's not auto. Also you can always make the GM back to his rank when he is back. The problem is that you could need some of the GM features, and seriously even 30 days to me seems a lot, maybe too much. My only concern about this is how will this work with alts chars or chars on other realms.
To ANYONE saying they will g-kick their entire guild if and when they decide to take a break from the guild: you are a horrible guild leader and nobody should want to be led by the likes of you anyway. You should have the decency to at least tell your guildies that you plan to do this out of selfishness. I mean how selfish can you get? To openly admit you'd rather disband your whole guild rather than allow someone else to take leadership is quite apparent of how horrible of a leader you are.
What happens if the 2nd in line does not take it? I'm in a guild with friends and the guild leader is away from the game for an extended period of time. It does not affect us in anyway and a few of us who know the GL in real life are officers. I don't think either of us will take control away from the GL but what happens if we do not act? Will a lower ranked member be able to take control?
Don't blame Blizzard because your officers are inadequate. The system is designed to stop guild stagnating because 1 person decides to bugger off for an extended period of time and not tell anyone.
If you're a good guild leader with a good team of officers, leaving someone else in charge should be no problem. If you don't have players or friends like that you can trust, then it's time to perhaps look at permissions and ranks in your guild.
It's dead simple, if you're going to be away for more than 30 days you let your guild know. Anyone can access the internet from almost anywhere. If it's a serious guild then you should have guild forums or a method of contacting your officers outside of the game. "Oh buy what if i'm in hospital" .... Then get a grip, your guild is the last thing you should be worrying about.
Blizzard fully understand the importance of the Guild Leader. You're there to lead, set examples and manage your guild. If you can't be that person they're making it clear that the people who should be looking up to you for guidance now have a say in weather you're doing a decent job or not. If people want to be the big cheese they have to accept the responsibility of properly running the guild, a massive part of that means having proper coverage in any period of extended absence. In your example you don't trust the officers to make the "big calls" so what happens when you're afk for a month or 2? That's right nothing, nada, zilch. The guild just sits there with no one taking responsibility. The issues raised don't get delt with and when you come back you have either a shit storm to deal with or a good few guild members missing due to lack or action.
Another money grab? - Pul-ease. If you're not maintaining a on going subscription month to month as a guild leader then you don't really give a dam what happens to the guild then do you?
This will also help stop the scumbag guild "leaders" who make leveling guilds with an alt, just to log in and skim the guild bank every so often with all the money that's been dumped in it from players' doing quests.
Oh I can already see how this will be "exploited" a lot... You have a problem paying for subscription for 1 month ? = no more guild for you Greedy Blizz. But I wonder if this 30days offline counter counts the Battlenet account or the actual character?
If I read this correctly (and fix it if I'm wrong):
The system NOW - someone can be given GM even if they didn't ask for it, if someone else reported the GM afk for 30 days.
The system COMING - You only are given if you're online and agree. If you're not online or don't agree, it will be given to someone else.
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If you're not online, or have quit the game, you're no longer leading the guild. You can't lead the guild if you don't play the game. If you're not leading the guild, you shouldn't be the guild leader. How hard is that?
I've never ever posted on these forums, but with this feature incoming I really wanted to give my opinion about it.
Let me first explain my situation, i'm running a ten man raiding guild and we raid for three days per week. However we never raid the whole year, we basicly raid for some months and when we've cleared most of the content or when we feel like it's enough again, we stop playing and switch to another game for some time. Then when new content gets released, or when we simply feel like it, we get back to raiding. My raid group consists of mostly irl friends, so that's why we're capable of easily starting the raids back up again.
The periods where we stop playing usually take around longer then 30 days. So basicly what will happen now, the guildleader, officers and raiders will be inactive for 30 days and a social rank or friend of a raider who logs in after that period can simply take over the whole guild, since he's the highest rank logged in. This means that a random member that has put no effort or very little in the guild, just got a free guild. And all of the people that worked really hard building the guild up, lose everything they've worked for. Since most of the guildmembers are irl friends, we also have holidays together and most of the times these holidays take longer then 30 days. Basicly all the people I trust to take over the guild, officers and some raiders are simply inactive during the same period.
If this system launches I get forced to either kick everyone from the guild that I don't trust to take over the guild or I need to keep paying subscription, while i'm not even playing, to log in, to make sure the inactive guild doesn't move to a random raider friend or social rank, that can take over the whole guild and all it's valuable items.
As you can hopefully understand out of my story, this system does not work for our guild. I hope they really reconsider this feature.
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The true agenda for this is the same for the feature of BOP items being tradeable for 2 hours after aquiring them from a boss: less people using the GM Petitions.
Unfortunately, this means that GMs are going to be far less willing to assist people in the event that their guild leadership vanishes and they're unable to get a successful resolution for guild control if, say, the person who manages to become GuildLeader first completely shuts down access to the guild bank / takes the money for himself, ect.
So yanno, this will work out fine for guilds ran by responsible adults that trust each other. Not so much for guilds with antisocial/powertripping officers that were only tolerated or kept around by the guildleader because it's his cousin's kid or he thought the guy was funny.
Orihank is displeased.Originally Posted by dexter44
What you seem to misunderstand is that this system has been in effect ALL ALONG. At any point, once you have been offline for 30 days, that social member had the ability to request to be made GM. That has not changed. The only difference is that is being handle in-game without the need to submit a ticket.
If you trust your social member to not attempt to take over the guild, then you have nothing to worry about, and don't need to overreact by kicking people.
People will complain about anything
We certainly didnt! We moved to a new guild when our guild leader showed no interest in coming back after around 2 months. After getting the guild to lvl11 we abandoned it and started another (just got to 19). If we had known....... (guess we all missed something in a patch note sometime ago)
My free 30 days a year from being in the military would like to say Hi. Also all my use or lose days would like to say shhh be quiet.
PS: I have the power as a guild leader to empty the guild ranks completely therefore I OWN the guild. Regardless of what any of the other people want to say. If they had a part of the ownership of the guild I wouldnt be able to just kick them just for funzies.
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Annnnnnnnd..... BREATH! Phew, thats better isnt it? Less coffee maybe?
Joking aside, this has nothing to do with hunters and pets, or people "taking a guild for themselves". The guild doesnt "belong" to the guild leader anyway unless its his bank guild it belongs to all the members that make it work. He (or she) simply LEADS it. You cant LEAD without being there. If you lead a guild and care about it and are having to go away from WoW for a while, you would WANT to pass it over to someone else so that the guild can carry on functioning.
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Guild leader is like a company managing director...... He doesnt "own" the company (usually) and can be replaced by the shareholders or board of directors. His role is to LEAD the company, not to own it. The only thing the guild leader did special to create the guild is get 10 other people to sign. Its all the work BY OTHERS that MAKES the guild after that.
Hey Cassidin I believe blizzard has already answered this entire fiasco even before there was talk of this system. Put it like this. If a guild leader decides to scalp everything out of the guild bank and leave the server would blizzard ban him? The answer to that question would solve this entire hooplah about guild ownership via blizzard policy.