FPS not good enough

[Epiphanes]

Processor: AMD Phenom II X4 945 3GHz, socket AM3
Memory: 4 GB DDRII 800MHz OCZ Gold XTC
Hard Drive: SSD 40GB (for WoW), HDD 1.6TB
Video Card: Leadtek GTX 560 2GB
Sound Card: Creative SoundBlaster Audigy SE 7.1
Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate
Motherboard: Asus M2N-SLI Deluxe - nForce 570SLI MCP, socket AM2

I still can't play with everything maxed in a 25 man raid environment. Acceptable for me means 20+ FPS, but it's wobbling further down when certain effects are being used. Not to mentioned when I turn on Fraps, which is recording on a separate internal HDD. Playing on 1680*1050 and DX11 api., since I recently upgraded my GPU.

WoW is poorly optimized to say the least. Turn Shadows down and you'll probably be good.

[deviancee]

In orgrimmar on 1980x1200 with ultra details, and shadows on low i have 120-130 fps, with shadows on ultra - 50-60. Turn them off, profit - i doubt you care about them anyway

i5 2500k@4,3GHZ
4870x2
2x4GB Ram Corsair 1600mhz cl9

[WillFeral]

Ignore this post, RAM speed rarely has huge impact on FPS. Sure, DDR2 is outdated and while I suggest to get AM3 mobo and cheapest DDR3 RAMs, RAM speed is not the huge issue here.

Probably the dumbest thing posted here,i think he meant ignore his own post.

[vesseblah]

Ignore this post, RAM speed rarely has huge impact on FPS. Sure, DDR2 is outdated and while I suggest to get AM3 mobo and cheapest DDR3 RAMs, RAM speed is not the huge issue here.

Probably the dumbest thing posted here,i think he meant ignore his own post.

Pot, meet kettle.

Speed difference of the OP's x4 945 in AM2+ board with 800MHz RAM and in AM3 board with 1333MHz RAM is around 10-20%. Sure it's a big number if you need to get out best performance, but it does not make that big difference.

[senshu]

WoW is poorly optimized to say the least. Turn Shadows down and you'll probably be good.

I find this to be the best advice in this thread so far. Also, the view distance can be a large burden in certain situations. I have a GTX 570 with 2.5GB of RAM, and I've seen WoW use 1.5GB of that. I have everything maxed except shadows, which I have turned down 1 or 2 notches. With that gfx card, 16GB of DDR3-1600 and an i7-2600k @ 4.5GHz, max shadows is just too much for it. I can't really tell the difference between the top 2 or 3 levels of shadows, but if those matter a lot to you, you'll have to lower many other settings to keep max shadows and have good framerates. But if you're raiding, that shouldn't be a priority. You should lower your settings enough so that you're not impacted by anything in a 25-man raid. Start with shadows and view distance, anti-aliasing and so forth.

One other setting that can have a very big impact on performance is either hardware cursor or reduce input lag. I can't remember which, and my account is not active right now to check, but one of these was pretty useful in the early days of WoW but now it really doesn't do much except drag down performance. Maybe someone else here will read this and know which of those two settings it is.

[Deleted]

I always have the latest video drivers and updated addons.

Sometimes the latest drivers aren't stable and comes with bugs that cause your FPS to drop dramatically. It wouldn't be the first time they had problems with antialiasing and such. Google around if someone has spotted problems with the newest drivers.

[Deleted]

Everyone gets 60+ fps @ 25 mans Ragnaros but I don't see a single screenshot or fraps fps log to prove it.

Here's how 25 man Ragnaros looks on my system :
i3-2300 @ 3.3 Ghz
4 gb ram
6950 2gb modded to 6970

http://minemymind.org/WoW.exe-2011-1...-24-37-198.htm

Everything on low (Vsync / tripple buffering enabled) with projected textures on and view distance medium. No F@H running the background, latest drivers, w7x64, etc.

[Thes]

Pot, meet kettle.

Speed difference of the OP's x4 945 in AM2+ board with 800MHz RAM and in AM3 board with 1333MHz RAM is around 10-20%. Sure it's a big number if you need to get out best performance, but it does not make that big difference.

I phrased it wrong too, though. I meant if you have 1333 DDR3 and 1600 DDR3, you gain way more from upgrading any other part of your system..

OP should be gettin AM3+ mobo anyway. Doesn't cost all that much.

[Heltoray]

The truth is - your fps is "fine". Its wow optimization that suxx.

I have even better setup than yours. CoreI7- 3.6, 12GB, gtx580. Everything overclocked, water cooling, etc.

I have all settings on minimum.

Wow ALWAYS lags. For me "good enough" is 60fps. Everything below - is laggy. I SEE picture freezing below 60 fps. I see that damn blinking,

I have pretty much top system possible. I have 60 fps in crysis2 !!

But I don't have 60fps in wow in raid 25 environment. I don't have 60fps even at orgrimmar bank!

On every aoe phase dps drops dramatically. Below 20 fps. It drops below 60 just on average boss fight(like ragnaros). And its absolutely not acceptable.

WOW optimization suxx. It uses just 3 of my virtual CPU cores. Like ~15% of my CPU.
It uses just 15-30 of my videocard GPU.

Partially its because of addons. Tidy plates uses HUGE amount of CPU. It decreases your fps at least by 20-30 on heave aoe fights.
Various addons use a lot of cpu time as well. Its not their fault. Their code is stupidly simple. You can't really optimize LUA.
But LUA interpretation in wow is laggy as hell.
Disable all addons and you will get 10-15 fps increase in orgy and even more in raid environment.
Don't blame authors, Yes, they sometimes make mistakes and their code is not optimal. But its ADDONS. They should not use even 1% of cpu time. Their calculations are simple. And how can ADDONS reduce FPS?? Wtf is this, seriously?

Ok, summarizing: Blizzard programmers suxx. Wow engine suxx. Wow lua interpretator suxx. And you can't do anything about it.
You can't buy computer powerfull enough to play this game without lags even on minimal settings.
Nothing you can do with it really. You have to live with it. And play this laggy game with last decade graphics.

Well, I never drop below 60 fps in 25-mans. Everything except shadows maxed, only thing that really matter in WoW are CPU and RAM anyway. That's also why OP has poor performance... even 4GB of proper RAM are totally fine for me.

in 10-mans and 5-mans I'm beyond 150 fps for the most part, sometimes even 200. And that's with a worse graphics card than yours running the game at 1920x1080p.

edit: running crap like recount, xperl, questhelper, mining addons and the like totally kill your performance as well. disable those and replace recount with skada and then check again.

[Deleted]

I'd sure like a computer that doesn't drop below 60 fps during 25 man Alysrazor nuke phase when the bird drops down and takes extra damage. Never heard of anyone having one but apparently some people in this thread do. I've got 150-200+ fps while idling in 25 mans but still drop to around 12 there.

Also to the OP I was using the same CPU until a couple months back and it was fine for 10 mans I didn't notice any stuttering but I could only really fraps half-screen for it to be smooth. Then I switched to 25 mans for firelands and I just had to upgrade my hardware as even though it was certainly playable the low fps certainly wasn't enjoyable. Now with a 2600k + new mobo I've got no problems in raids due to fps issues even when frapsing high quality. There are certain points in a couple encounters where the game doesn't run smooth like the razorbird coming down but that's just something no reasonable equipment can handle and those few times it's not needed to have max fps to survive anyways. Better FPS can often times turn that fail into a close call and it definitely makes the game more enjoyable and that's what I got out of upgrading from the phenom 2 x4 945, very much recommended although 2500k might be even better for the purposes of WoW.

[Leean]

Tidy plates uses HUGE amount of CPU. It decreases your fps at least by 20-30 on heave aoe fights.

Does it? My old laptop was at 3-18 fps on the absolute minimum of settings, without any addons. Using Tidy Plates didn't change a thing (maybe cause it couldn't be worse?) My new laptop gets 40 fps on ultra (+AA/+multisampling) in the crowded areas of Orgrimmar. Didnt't raid with it yet, but instances work like a charm, even those AOE packs WoW uses 5-9% of my CPU.

[dardack]

The truth is - your fps is "fine". Its wow optimization that suxx.

I have even better setup than yours. CoreI7- 3.6, 12GB, gtx580. Everything overclocked, water cooling, etc.

I have all settings on minimum.

Wow ALWAYS lags. For me "good enough" is 60fps. Everything below - is laggy. I SEE picture freezing below 60 fps. I see that damn blinking,

I have pretty much top system possible. I have 60 fps in crysis2 !!

But I don't have 60fps in wow in raid 25 environment. I don't have 60fps even at orgrimmar bank!

On every aoe phase dps drops dramatically. Below 20 fps. It drops below 60 just on average boss fight(like ragnaros). And its absolutely not acceptable.

WOW optimization suxx. It uses just 3 of my virtual CPU cores. Like ~15% of my CPU.
It uses just 15-30 of my videocard GPU.

Partially its because of addons. Tidy plates uses HUGE amount of CPU. It decreases your fps at least by 20-30 on heave aoe fights.
Various addons use a lot of cpu time as well. Its not their fault. Their code is stupidly simple. You can't really optimize LUA.
But LUA interpretation in wow is laggy as hell.
Disable all addons and you will get 10-15 fps increase in orgy and even more in raid environment.
Don't blame authors, Yes, they sometimes make mistakes and their code is not optimal. But its ADDONS. They should not use even 1% of cpu time. Their calculations are simple. And how can ADDONS reduce FPS?? Wtf is this, seriously?

Ok, summarizing: Blizzard programmers suxx. Wow engine suxx. Wow lua interpretator suxx. And you can't do anything about it.
You can't buy computer powerfull enough to play this game without lags even on minimal settings.
Nothing you can do with it really. You have to live with it. And play this laggy game with last decade graphics.

Really? I run with 100+ addons, i5 2500k OC to 4.1, 2 gtx 460's SLI'd OC to 850/1700/2000 (2 460's where cheaper then 1 560+) and don't drop below 60 fps in max at 1080p in 25 man raids. Well ok it has hit 52 fps sometimes but jumps back up to 65-70 right away. IN sw i hit 90-120 FPS flying/standing/banking/ah'ing

[vesseblah]

Really? I run with 100+ addons, i5 2500k OC to 4.1, 2 gtx 460's SLI'd OC to 850/1700/2000 (2 460's where cheaper then 1 560+) and don't drop below 60 fps in max at 1080p in 25 man raids. Well ok it has hit 52 fps sometimes but jumps back up to 65-70 right away. IN sw i hit 90-120 FPS flying/standing/banking/ah'ing

The guy in post #47 (gogusrl) was at least honest with his framerate, that's what it looks for you too. 60 when standing still and vsync capped, but closer to 25 during seeds/adds phase. The fact is that when your fps is lowest, you don't really have usually time to look at it :P

[Cantii]

All games are poorly optimized, all hardware configs are perfect!

Seriously, though, WoW has one of the best optimized engines out there. When I was playing during cataclysm, I was rollin along at 45-60 fps in 25-mans with my current computer at 1080p, Ultra setting with shadows on Good, 4x MSAA. OP could do with a motherboard upgrade, though.