Feral Cat Idle Time

[Deleo]

Feral currently has the highest idle time a DPS can have with Assa rogues coming very close. Do you guys find this kind of design interesting?



Personally I'd understand some idle time as we need to build up energy but don't you think not doing anything for 40$ of the time is rather bad design?

[Siri]

The idle times make it feel like less of a penalty to do utility stuff like ressing or using tranq. I don't really mind.

[Fraza]

I hate my feral kitty for just this reason. I need some buttons to hit!

[Moltentank19]

Feral druids melee swings are like 0.8 sec so its fun

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Aside from rogues and druids, Warriors sometimes find themself rage starved but can usually fix that with more hit so. Ret pallys also find themself standing around waiting for cds to come up and frost dks sometimes run out of runes / runic power and stand around for a few seconds. But feral is aight imo the 27 sec 70 energy or whatever is pretty nice plus their Bleeds hit for a tonne so yeah :P

[Deleted]

I like it, that kitties got some "idle time".

1. You feel better while performing utility and movement-stuff.
2. For many people it's some sort of skill to be patient and let energy build up. It's one of the number one mistakse new kitty-players do - they simply can't wait to pool enough energy and to use it at the right time. Instead they go ahead spamming all their buttons and wondering because they can't maintain their DoTs.

Combine these to and you get a pretty unique playstyle that doesn't feel that punished by movement-heavy fights than most other melees.

[Rioo]

SimCraft isn't reforging to haste afaik so the number is a bit lower then that.

[vaccine]

I love it. In fact I find it hard to play classes where you mindlessly spam every single GCD and missing one is a DPS penalty. The downtime allows Feral to be more complex and gives you a few seconds to plan ahead your next cycle of moves.

[Deleted]

I hate my feral kitty for just this reason. I need some buttons to hit!

This is the exact reason why i've abandoned feral dps

[gombudja]

I don't play feral anymore but I've always loved this about the spec.

[Mithfin]

I just play arcane mage alt somtimes to satisfy my button smashing hunger.

[Deleted]

I like it, that kitties got some "idle time".

1. You feel better while performing utility and movement-stuff.
2. For many people it's some sort of skill to be patient and let energy build up. It's one of the number one mistakse new kitty-players do - they simply can't wait to pool enough energy and to use it at the right time. Instead they go ahead spamming all their buttons and wondering because they can't maintain their DoTs.

Combine these to and you get a pretty unique playstyle that doesn't feel that punished by movement-heavy fights than most other melees.

This. Having to consider "is this the right time to pool energy before refreshing rip, will it coincide with savage roar, do I have a high enough timer on rip to fb now".
Maintaining uptime on all of our shit requires planning, thinking ahead and experience does a lot. One can easily spot a guy new to the kitty and that's part of what makes dpsing as a feral cool and gives the sense of being somewhat unique, yes. Also, who doesn't like being useful with combat ressing and throwing out innervates? Exactly, and it's nice knowing one can do that without missing more than a couple of auto attacks.

[Navene]

This is one of the main reasons I don't play kitty as much anymore. I find the hunter approach of balancing focus generation with focus use to be much more natural than just waiting around for passive regen. I would like to see some kind of energy generating attack, but I can't see it ever happening.

[Fiana]

Interesting research.
Yes, we have to think what button to press instead of stupidly smashing buttons.

And ofc I definitely like it.

[Deleted]

Interesting research.
Yes, we have to think what button to press instead of stupidly smashing buttons.

And ofc I definitely like it.

Did a bit of research myself and on a 10min Simcraft says sub rogues have exactly 1min less dowtaime than us and by your statement this means subtelty is faceroll?
This is probably also true for some other classes that are more complex than feral because john madden is gone, and as for feral being hard to master its something that can be said for any class and spec.

OT: I personally dislike having so much downtime and its one of the reasons i will probably drop feral for balance/feral tank/resto in next xpac. 4t12 bonus does give us some faster play and its something i like a lot and it doesnt really dumb down our "rotation". I also like how hunters have control over their focus and as some1 said already this is most likely not something they will implement for ferals ever.

[MasterNewbie]

Did a bit of research myself and on a 10min Simcraft says sub rogues have exactly 1min less dowtaime than us and by your statement this means subtelty is faceroll?

So they have exactly 2 minutes of wait time? They're still waiting to press buttons...

I also like how hunters have control over their focus and as some1 said already this is most likely not something they will implement for ferals ever.

We have as much control over our energy as hunters do their focus. Hunters actually need those abilities to help regenerate focus since focus regen is significantly less than energy regen.

Spamming abilities until you're OOE and then spamming an ability to recharge your energy, repeating indefinitely is what I would call a terrible implementation of a rotation. I certainly hope they never implement something like that for ferals.

[Deleted]

So they have exactly 2 minutes of wait time? They're still waiting to press buttons...

From what i understand we are discussing if ferals should have less waiting time and not about feral having/not having waiting time.

[MasterNewbie]

You seem to have misunderstood the intent of that portion of my post. Fiana posted to the effect that rotations that involve never waiting to use an ability are stupid/faceroll. Subtlety rogues, as you pointed out, have less wait time than feral. You then proceeded to claim that subtlety is faceroll based on Fiana's post.

Well, subtlety rogues use far from every GCD in their rotation. I don't know how you misconstrued what Fiana posted to describe subtlety's rotation as faceroll.

And you are correct, this post is about less wait time. If the intent was to reduce wait time, I would rather see SR's effect changed to have increased melee haste (like SnD but not as much as haste; to compensate, part of the autoattack damage boost would remain). This would have the effect of boosting our energy regen. Berserk would probably have to be modified if it was changed that way, but imo it is a much better solution than to introduce some no-CD ability that directly generates energy.

[Deleted]

The wait time is a direct result of feral's slower energy regen. Rogues get extra energy back (besides the 10/sec base) constantly compared to ferals having only tiger's fury. But it's not like you're constantly waiting... if you are you're probably doing something wrong. It's just a few seconds here and there, giving your finger a rest and time to plan out what's going to happen in the next 10 sec or so, and/or having time to rebirth/innervate etc.

I'd hate for feral to become GCD limited. Sure it could use a tweak to energy regen (a new effect for the super useless primal madness?), but I wouldn't want it to be so that we have something to do every single gcd or it's a dps loss.

[Deleo]

Well waiting does have more time to it than any other ability. I'm ok with waiting. It's part of energy resource but to me 40% waiting is just too much.

[Williee]

I spend that idle time chatting in say or w/e
typing out things like SHADOW TRAP ON ME for heroic rag hehe