I dont click lightwells when they put them in the other corner of the room. Simply ridiculous. If they're near by I'll clickem but I wont go out of my way for one.
I dont click lightwells when they put them in the other corner of the room. Simply ridiculous. If they're near by I'll clickem but I wont go out of my way for one.
"Do not spoil what you have by desiring what you have not. Remember that what you have now was once among the things you hoped for." -Epicurus
Just to pop in a thought here:
Humans have a finite amount of attention the divvy up amongst all the things demanding it. Attention to click a lightwell comes out of that pool, as does the attention to stand in HR or not stand in fire, etc. However, the attention needed to locate yourself inside a colored circle or outside of an angry-looking patch of fire is fairly little - it utilizes simpler parts of the brain. Clicking something requires locating, identifying your own health deficit, and clicking the lightwell.
I'm not saying that's hard, or necessarily a burden on players. However, it is a non-trivial amount of attention to spare.
Now, what about that makes it a bad mechanic?
Some encounters will tax players to their limits. In those encounters, if a significant portion of a holy priest's ability to heal costs those players attention they require, then is it actually producing anything useful? If your DPS click and lose uptime, end up missing this or that, etc.?
Basically, it requires a finite resource that other heals do not, and it's a resource which can lead to some pretty nasty things.
You can't tell a person "pay more attention!" because it's more or less intrinsic to the individual's brain. You would have to recruit new people and figure out how to even tell if they've got a problem with it, which they might not until a particularly hairy bit of RNG.
The upside is that the healer's attention limits can be alleviated slightly by the lightwell. Whether that's a net positive or negative depends on your raid.
If you dont wanna get "aggro" from the other players, just go and roll a resto shammy, awesome group/raid healing, no drama, lots of buffs, BL, etc....GL
I click it when I see it, however in raids i find myself clicking on someone else or a useless add I should not be killing so i end up wasting like 5 secs of dps time
Hi Sephurik
If I, as a healer manage to keep everyone alive, click the LW, dodge the fire while raid leading the DPS have absolutly nothing to complain about. Their job is to DPS, interrupt if needed, move out of fire, click the LW when required and so on. Clicking a LW takes 0.5s if you are in range and know where it is located (which you should know, it's part of your job as DPS).
edit: While progressing hard(er) fights it is real damn important to help the healers out by moving out of fire and clicking the damn LW, forcing us to blow more mana than necessary will end up in OOM and a wipe (has happend several times due to crazy mana requirements and people taking more dmg than necessary).
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Man, now we're bad healers for carrying the mistakes of other people. Look dude, I try to keep my groups alive as much as I can. But when people start dying because I go oom because I have to power heal through their mistakes like standing in fire, and then they blame me for being bad, that's where I draw the line.
I give people one chance, they stand in fire and if I have to pull them out with Leap of Faith then fine that's their one chance, they keep doing it, yes I will let them die, if they're too stupid to move out of the bad stuff and still maintain their DPS then yes it is their fault. I have been known to take a dip in the fire if PoM is me.
BTW on topic, yes I do expect PuGs to use the lightwell if I'm healing as Holy, why shouldn't they? It's a great heal to use, I know many tanks that use it and since now you don't have to stop casting to actually click the lightwell, there is no excuse for DPS to not use it when it's down, I have had PuGs that use it and those have been my easiest healing instances, the ones that don't I just bug the living crap out of them and either they leave (no big deal) or they get annoyed the whole instance.. no skin off my back
Don't expect people to use the lightwell, put it down and if they do great, but letting people die because they don't use it is arrogant and lazy, and quite frankly indicates more about the quality of your play than it does theirs. Treat lightwell as something that is great if people use, but don't expect them to. If you have a warlock in your group a healer could say, "no one gets healed til they've used their healthstone". I could refuse to heal any druid during AoE phases who didn't pop barkskin. Quite frankly, if you are going to let everyone die who doesn't play perfectly in your opinion, why do you even play this game? I actually take it as a challenge to keep bad players alive when they do stupid stuff. I'm not here to teach anyone lessons or be judge and jury about how competent a player others are. If I enter a dungeon, my job and my fun comes from completing it as quickly and efficiently as possible and keeping EVERYONE alive makes that happen.
Fine. If I for some reason run RHC with randoms I never use LW because people suck and I need to carry them and since I overgear the instance it's no problem. If I for some reason get decent people I just smite spam and we win without even trying. I refuse to run ZA/ZG with randoms because no matter how high my throughput is, their fuckups will make sure I won't be able to keep them up.
I never have nor will rely on randoms clicking my LW because I'm more than happy if they just do more than 6k dps and don't fucking die on trash packs, the fire, the black hole and every other stupid shit they can find.
If you think the DPS's only job is to kill mobs then you are doing it wrong. Dead DPS = Zero DPS. Everyone has a responsibility to do everything in there power to get the boss/trash down. Than can mean interrupts, not standing in the bad stuff, Not standing in the cleave zone and yes tossing in a self heal, pot, bandage, Warlock Cookie, Threat Reduction spell/ability, snare, CC, and yes, clicking on the lightwell, or standing in the healing rain, or the druid healing ground aoe thing.
Using all the tools provided to you as a dps does not make the priest healer with LW lazy, if just makes you a better team player. This is not a solo game, it is a team game, take .01 second to click on the lightwell and people will like you better.
I need to make up a clever marco like the ones I have seen here in this thread.... :-)
"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil."
-John Galt
Only problems we have with lightwell and healing rains are where they're cast.
well , ppl need some motivation to click on lightwell , that's why in my guild we started a new "Game" , "Lightwell Awards" , the rules are simple , i will just copy-paste:
"-the guy who is top healing done from lightwell will recive 1k gold after each raid. P.S. the overheal will not be counted , so be smart when u click on lightwell;
-the same player will get the prize only 3 times for the same boss, and ofc we dont play this "game" on bosses that we allready killed."