I don't get this part.
Isn't it better to use GoAK together with the Wings?
So I start my fight with:
Pre-Pott>EXO>CS>J>INQ>Wings+GoAK>ES then normal rotationn under wings?
What is more beneficial? Keep in mind i don't have a tier 11 bonus at the pull. Under this conditions i would do it the same way.
With Sanc. Wrath skilled, both have an uptime from 30 secounds, so it won't make any sense to do it like this. You would have round about 6 sec. on Wings without aktive GoaK? So if you do it like my way, you have lower stacks at the beginning, but atleast stacks instad of none?
20:03:27 start of the fight
20:04:06 AW is cast
It's a 39s window which is almost exactly the time of Bloodlust, no point in wiating for first unseen strike. that way people would be able to pre-pot AND use potion in P2.
But thanks for the explanation (graphs still don't work on my end )
The opener I give is one that allow better output and efficiency for the pre-pot and the early trinkets procs.
If you take my opener, you will have 20s of the pre-pot, full duration of your procs (or /use) under a 8stacked GoAK on AW cast, and fully stacked GoAK after 5sec. So 15sec of AW+pre-pot+STRprocs/use (or haste) +/- Tailoring proc, which is far better than losing 5sec of GoAK with no STR buff to make it as usefull as it could be.
So yeah, you could wait 5sec to cast GoAK, but then, all your procs and pre-pot would be gone by the time you stack Ancient Power at 10, tops
Try it out, even without prot 4pt11, it is a gain.
As for the 2nd use of GoAK+AW, then I use them together since my procs are delayed by multiple use and my pot is on demand 5sec after the cast of AW+GoAK. And then my procs merge in any time during the 30s.
EDIT : opened WoL with another browser and it worked.
@Bearskjold
So 2 uses of AW instead of 3possible : another reason for your guild not to wait 40sec before casting bloodlust.
Last AW use was not synced with GoAK as it should have been
Lessons and IBW are in constant conflict, so you better get that cheap OP relic as of this moment.
Avoid loosing a GCD casting Sacred Shield during your CD, cast it right before blowing off your CDs, it lasts 30sec so, that should do it.
Besides, since you have Lessons and IBW, and 2p only, you should try to spec HA, it may be an overall gain.
Last edited by mmocb71f6e42a0; 2012-12-31 at 04:41 PM.
Thank you for your advice, Metasaigneur. I was doing all my reforging on my own and decided to give Mr. Robot a try the other day. Do the mods work better? I found them to be a bit broken on my old main but Ret is a bit more straightforward than the Cata Feral Druid was.
As to the fight you're describing, my guild lusts right after he does his first targeted attack on someone. (can't think of the name, the shadowstep thing) So I save my CD's for that so that I can use them during lust and still get them off again later in the fight. On fights where we don't lust as early, I do use my CD's/pre-pot on the pull. Garalon is another one that we lust very early on so I do the same on that fight. Would it be better to not worry about the lust and just use my CD's on the pull anyhow?
The trinkets are timed the way they are because I have them bound to CD's and they can't both used at the same time (seems to be about a 15 sec delay on next usage). IBW is bound to ES as it has a 1 min cd, Darkmaster is bound to AW. On Tayak, I usually throw ES up there on the pull just to get some damage off as our hunters MD's the boss to our tank and we're not supposed to actually attack it until he's in position. If you're saying that's a waste though, I can just hold off until he's in position.
So to be sure I'm understanding you correctly, on the pull, I should use Guardian, and wait on AW until I have INQ up? And then you're saying I can macro HoW to AW, can I do this with one button? (sorry, not good with macros, what I have I've gotten from others) I probably have missed a few HoW because I've been relying on CLCRet and it doesn't seem to prioritize it.
Question regarding that fight, it seems that when Tayak disappears, ES falls off. Is that the case and I should work on timing it better with that also? I like the Speed of Light idea, I hate those tornadoes lol!
If I spec into HA, what would be the appropriate timing for it? Would I just use that during AW or use it separately? The conflict with Guardian and AW is just timing, should I make sure I am waiting for Guardian to come back up before using AW again? I've been using AW as soon as it came back up.
Last edited by Bearshield; 2012-12-31 at 04:49 PM. Reason: edit for more questions heh
http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/reforgelite is an ingame addon that will help you reforging almost perfectly. I still see you overcap in expertise and undercap in hit.
Read the description on curse to learn how to use it.
first thing that strikes is : restore your boots and restore you neck piece.. you should be hit capped this way.
As for the expertise you really just have too much on your gear.
As I stated earlier, using lust after 40s make little sense since it is the exact duration of lust and poping it on the pull as well as all the raid CDs make more sense. Plus even if you "lose" 5sec of lust while the boss is hiding, the max duration of CD is 30s so your dps will still benefit from lust to the fullest. Besides, delaying your CD by 40s makes you lose a full usage of AW since you used it 2 times instead of 3. That may be the case for other members of your raid with 3min CDs.
Yeah I'm aware that trinkets are in conflict. You really should be able to purchase the Darkmoon faire Relic by now (try buying the cards seperately to create your own Deck, it really is not that expensive now). That way you can play with Lessons (upgraded 1/1) and Relic.
It would be a very net gain.
Yeah, exactly, but only for the pull! That way you maximise benefit from your pre-pot.
The macro I use is simple :
For the 2nd use of Guardian, just pop it together with AW if you're specced in SW.Code:#showtooltip /startattack /cast Avenging Wrath /cast Hammer of Wrath
The correct priorities during AW with the Sanctified Wrath talent is : 5HpTV>HoW>EXO>J>3HpTV
so basically you make HoW>Exo>HoW>TV>HoW>j>HoW>TV, etc etc
HoW must be done every 2 GCD to maximise output, even if you have to wait 0.5s on it.
Yeah avoid using ES if the next shadowstep is in less than 10s.
If you spec HA, use it as soon as it is up, with 5HP and INQ rolling for at least 20s (since it lasts 18s)
It will be synced with AW on pull (use them both when 20s of GoAK remain) and on the third use (with GoAK again).Code:#showtooltip /startattack /cast Holy Avenger /use 13 /cast Templar's Verdict
The ONLY reason to delay AW to sync it with GoAK as soon as GoAK is up is when the fight is less than 6min30.
For instance a 5min45 fight : 1AW+GoAK on pull, at the 3min mark, you do not use AW and pop it on the 5min mark, along with GoAK.
A 6min 45 fight : 1AW+GoAK on pull, 3min mark you use AW again, 6min mark you use AW and GoAK again.
To know wich fight are shorter than you may think, check your logs, and you can use an add-on like TimeToDie.
Good luck!
(EDIT : after seeing all the expertise you have, IBW+relic might be better, and then stick with Sanctified Wrath)
Last edited by mmocb71f6e42a0; 2012-12-31 at 08:30 PM.
Thanks for all the suggestions guys. Guess I'll be sucking it up and buying that trinket Will also check out the TimeToDie mod so I can time my cd's better. And thank you for the macros as well.
Macro i made for start of fights when using holy avenger or later on when you line them all back up again
Press once to hit AW and cast ES, wait for gcd and hit again for HA and HoW, as HA has a slightly shorter duration and HA does nothing for ES.Code:#showtooltip /castsequence reset=10 avenging wrath,holy avenger /use 13 /castsequence reset=10 execution sentence, hammer of wrath
Obviosly want to get inq up and some guardian stacks if can.
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So I tried it with the following makro:
There is no problem using it, but if I do so should I cast ES before AW at the pull?#showtooltip
/startattack
/cast Avenging Wrath
/cast Hammer of Wrath
Normally I cast AW, use ES then start playing with HoW-filler-How-filler-How and TV.
But If I do HoW right after AW I uses ES after this and the rotation is shit because I end up with 4 HP and need to use one more filler to use 5HPTV.
So all in all I maybe win 1 HoW at the end of AW for the cost of screwing up the start? Your thoughts?
During wings I TV at 3HP (I have sanctified wrath too). Idea is to fit in as many HoW as possible. I find that to be an increase in performance for me, so you may want to try that. If I end up with 4 HP it doesn't matter either, it just means one HP just sits there unused during wings.
I'm curious as to when i should use ES. This question is for mainly at the start. I hear it works like taking a "snapshot" of all the buff's you have on (pre pot, AW, proc's) etc when used, and uses that as it's damage when cast, till when it's done. So for example, if i use ES before INQ or AW, would i not benefit from them when i use them a sec or two later? And is it beneficial to later in a fight delay ES like 10-15 secs for AW and a proc to come off CD to stack it?
Lastly, should i wait a few sec's to build str buff from GoAK to use with ES even tho i have 4p and SW?
Thanks! =]
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Same question here so same answer : yes, delay first ES to make a full use of it and always under INQ, AW (and procs if possible). I use mine when both my trinks (lei shi's las t order and relic) AND my tailoring proc (+/- dancing steel rng) are up AND after 8sec GoAK. So when I cast ES, there is 1-2 sec left on relic/tailor proc sometimes, but it still works.
As for the next uses, try to sync it with procs as well if you delay it by ~15sec tops it's fine. Wiating more may put you at risk to lose one full use of ES.
Basically you should always have that 4th HoPo going along since when you cast ES between 2 HoW, it will always happen
Thanks man, really appreciated. =pSame question here so same answer : yes, delay first ES to make a full use of it and always under INQ, AW (and procs if possible). I use mine when both my trinks (lei shi's las t order and relic) AND my tailoring proc (+/- dancing steel rng) are up AND after 8sec GoAK. So when I cast ES, there is 1-2 sec left on relic/tailor proc sometimes, but it still works.
As for the next uses, try to sync it with procs as well if you delay it by ~15sec tops it's fine. Wiating more may put you at risk to lose one full use of ES.
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