Point one: Scamming someone into sexual intercourse under false pretenses is probably generally accepted to be rape, right?
Point two: What exactly are the reasons for the test-tube procedure to be absolutely mandatory? Are they even absolutely mandatory? And... Wha..? If I remember correctly, the man in this situation demanded time with the child as he considered himself the father. This being unreasonable in itself, the couple then pretty much determined that, as a father, the donor doesn't just have benefits, but also obligations. Which makes perfect sense. You can't demand a child and then not take care of it.
Well, if we could come up with a way to make it easy to tell when someone has decieved you, I would be all for civil law suites being made against a woman. It's honestly similiar to someone who knows they got AIDS but knowlingly lies about it and still have unprotected sex, an awful thing to do and it is at least here illegal.
What I don't agree with though is that we men should just be able to say "I don't want any part of this" if an accident happens. We know an accident can occur and we should therefor take our responsibility if it happens. Just like the woman does.
The nerve is called the "nerve of awareness". You cant dissect it. Its a current that runs up the center of your spine. I dont know if any of you have sat down, crossed your legs, smoked DMT, and watch what happens... but what happens to me is this big thing goes RRRRRRRRRAAAAAWWW! up my spine and flashes in my brain... well apparently thats whats going to happen if I do this stuff...
yes... i wasnt going to cry about how "unfair" it was if something happened. and i took steps to make sure it didnt.
it was his decision to create the situation in the first place. its his liability, if you will.While it's true that I advocate personal responsibility, it's just that. I advocate personal responsibility. I do NOT advocate having obligations you've made clear you don't want thrust upon you.
When a woman keeps a pregnancy and the father does not want it, there is no sound reason he should be held liable for her decision.
not exactly, but its entirely the people involveds' fault.Do you support the court's position that he should pay child support because the lesbian couple didn't go through the proper channels to have IVF done?
No-one, including you, has any rights! Deal with it.
We've given ourselves rights, and I see no reason why I should feel like I need to follow any of your rights. If you have rights, I have the right to ignore your rights!
that would be the intercourse itself, not pregnancy.
i imagine it being done by a physician ensures that theres a way to prove beyond a doubt it was purely a donation.Point two: What exactly are the reasons for the test-tube procedure to be absolutely mandatory? Are they even absolutely mandatory? And... Wha..? If I remember correctly, the man in this situation demanded time with the child as he considered himself the father. This being unreasonable in itself, the couple then pretty much determined that, as a father, the donor doesn't just have benefits, but also obligations. Which makes perfect sense. You can't demand a child and then not take care of it.
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no, they all should have done it at a clinic.
You make a risk assesment, you willingly take the risk and then you cry faul when shit goes wrong. You presume every case is a fraud, when it's very likely that it is far more common with accidential pregnencies, and in those cases both the man and the woman have a responsibility.
The nerve is called the "nerve of awareness". You cant dissect it. Its a current that runs up the center of your spine. I dont know if any of you have sat down, crossed your legs, smoked DMT, and watch what happens... but what happens to me is this big thing goes RRRRRRRRRAAAAAWWW! up my spine and flashes in my brain... well apparently thats whats going to happen if I do this stuff...
did you read what i wrote or are you just writing meaningless stuff quoting my post for no reason?
well if they agreed both why can one decide then? if both are responsible, why can only one have a say? and i don´t know if you know this but having sex doesn´t automaticaly mean you want to have a baby, that´s why mankind invented kondoms and stuff
And you should probably read aloud to yourself what you write before you hit "reply".
Where you get a sperm donation is immaterial to where it's done.
In fact, there's no sound reason it should be a requirement to have the procedure done in a clinic since it's obviously not necessary for successful conception.
There's literally no sound reason this man should be held liable for child support when an agreement was signed that he would not be.
He has no presence in this kid's life, no rights to the kid... no nothing to the kid.
Legal documentation is still required for traceability. I cannot just fill a petri-dish and give it to a random on the street without repercussions.
In addition, clinics are beneficial as they screen donors for diseases or other abnormalities that donations from randoms may contain.
Actually... If she can decide to terminate the pregnancy, and he doesn't want the child, and she doesn't agree to terminating the pregnancy, then it is not his responsibility. Considering she could have it terminated, but didn't.
Conversely, he wanted the child, she wouldn't want the child, but she chose to carry it regardless for his sake, then dump the child with him (since he was the one who wanted it, and not she), then the child is not her responsibility.