Originally Posted by
Urza29
well i didnt think we were discussing things like itemization or glitches, or bugs, as all expansions have issues, even MOP, its just they have gotten much better as they progressed. There are still bugs in TOT, like the one recently where you can fall under the floor down into Ra-Den's room, so MOP is not perfect either.
I dont have rose tinted glasses, i am saying that BC from start to finish was solid for raiding, glitches/bugs or not, the raids themselves were all epic, and felt rewarding, and the bosses were aucutally challenging, and no i am not comparing LFR to bc, obviously the heroic modes of current MOP stuff can be considered the hardest content they've ever done, but for me, at the time during bc, compared to expansions after, BC had the most challenging raiding content, if you look it up, bosses took weeks of attempts, call it lack of player skill, or quality raiders, or even issue between guilds being able to get into the raids due to attunement, but those that did clear content when it was current, truly played the challenge.
Look at bosses now in MOP, heroic mode Ra-Den, heroic raiding has become so hardcore, and guilds know what to expect, tier after tier, they wipe 100's of times, throwing themselves at fights, and sheer attrition come out on top with world firsts, no matter how "hard" a fight is, it will always be beaten quickly these days, but if you look at BC, the bosses took a bit longer to down, even by top guilds, there was no first week clears of a lot of bc raids, i think Kalethas took over a month...on just that 1 boss, so if you compare it, its equal almost to heroic mode of today.
but i still think bc raids had more challenge, but there is so many factors for that, class unbalance, itemization, attunements, lack of information, addons for everything that we have these days...that's what made BC so epic and challenging because we aucutally had to work for it, blindly, there was nothing guiding us, it was all new...there is no surprise left anymore in raiding, even heroic modes, we have dungeon journal, youtube, as soon as a boss is down, within minutes its all over the internet, we didn't have much of that in BC, it was all headlong skill into the fray, which felt a lot better than watching/reading/addons and then downing an entire raid tier in a week, only stopping at the harder bosses...we even have PTR's that have all the bosses for testing, and betas for expansions, both of which top guilds use to already know the fights well, as soon as its released its just a matter of executing the fight, like clockwork...we didn't have that in BC
Also each tier of raiding, everyone who has cleared heroic modes is farming them, so a new tier comes out, and they are already fully geared and ready, in bc you had to flip flop around different raids to get the best gear setup, to tackle the latest raid, like when sunwell came out, that was the biggest cockblock was gear, if you weren't heavy geared from Black Temple like reallly op geared (especially tanks) Sunwell wiped the floor with you, the gear disparity between raids was a bit different back then than it is now, there is way more options for gear, from many sources, in bc you were pigeonholed into specific upgrade paths, from specific raids, so at least we can be thankful for that.