If you put epics in non-raid content then the same guys screaming now about LFR would be screaming that you can get it in easier than lfr content and the rest would be screaming that their guild would require them to do that to get a purple. Look at how much bitching there was because a purple ring was at the end of a daily rep grind.
That place was huge, it could take hours if your group decided they were going to do a full clear and even then nobody ever went for full clear and it still took hours. If you didn't have the key in a group (unlikely) then it would take a good long while. That instance is legendary for me much like Scholomance is too.
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Oh ok, I get it now. I was mostly referring to genre identity and mechanics with my mention of those games, not prices. I see a lot of people present the reasoning that the game as a concept has become too tiring due to its age; which completely disregards the overall genre's age, and the fact that all genres and their iterations through new releases are old in essence, with just some mechanical and aesthetic improvements, yet still successful. And the fact that this game gets constantly refreshed alleviates quite a lot of the problems of its age. I mean, StarCraft 2 is practically StarCraft with better technological elements and some mechanical changes; it's not some brand new and different game, yet people bought it and played it just fine.
So, in a close-to-ideal world, with all the money the game makes, there could be an effort to produce as much content as vanilla had, for each expansion, (but for all the activities of the game, not just raiding or arena or questing, everything) to keep players happily busy, until the next. Alas we don't live in such a world.
I made no assumptions that world first competitors would leave, I merely called out someone who suggested that the top 3 raiding guilds leaving would make blizzard stop and pay attention. To which I said Blizzard would not even notice it as a bump in the road. 75 people no matter their skill won't make Blizzard take notice.
Try to not re-imagine what I actually say and keep up.
i would expect the general interpretation of Blizzard and perhaps even a signifigant proportion of the fans, were the top three quilds to quit, is that their were simply a new set of top three guild, who ever they might be, and they would generally forget about to the current top three if they left.
but this whole line of argument is rather spurious since it's all counter-factual.
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When someone asks you if you're a god, YOU SAY 'YES'!
people that think heroic raids should only be 25 man are just being assinine imo.....why the hell would you strip content from players who do not raid 25 man. Yet you complain about not having access as lower skilled players to higher end raids......
How much sense does that make....lets take someone else's access away so we can have ours? nice ideology in that....hypocrites
Most people don't know they are doing something wrong and when the only experience they have of someone informing them of it is 'LOL, U SuX, L2PLY! BOOT!' They just assume your a jerk and pay you no heed. Find a way to get people informed without being insulting would go a long way towards people looking up how to play better.
You obviously are a wrath baby or later, because we (the casuals) never got sick of them because there were so many and they were challenging enough to sate our PvE endgame. Not to mention, alot of the gear back then was much closer power-wise (aka ilvl) than now. There wasnt a huge gap of a difference between Heroic Dungeon gear/epics/crafted than tier 5. Just because YOU don't want LFR gone doesn't mean it should stay. Endgame was just fine before LFR. Matter of fact, this community was much better/friendlier.
I can only give my experience - my help to improve is given... I get back - "it is my game time I play how I want" ... even proving grounds for people I have tried to say - go, have a go - we can chat about it and see how you perceive each challenge ... I get silence and then "it is my game time I play how I want"
Helping someone who really doesn't want helping is tiring... so I don't do it anymore
Don't remove it, just make the rewards for doing it not attractive to actual raiders, such as making the gear 1 ilvl lower than previous normal e.g SoO - 521, ToT - 495 and remove the legendary item drops. That way if you raid, even casually (so not heroic) you won't need to go into lfr to get an upgrade, and people who don't want to do organised raiding can still see the content which is what it's there for.
Exactly I don't know how many times i have been beyond nice in trying to offer...yes OFFER not force help and was met with very rude responses. It's not that people don't know that they are doing wrong, it's that they don't care they are doing something wrong. I love how people make bad players seem as if they are all genuinely good hearted trying to get better when that is vastly NOT the case.
Just because YOU want LFR gone doesn't mean it should go. Now that your argument has been exposed as toxic wind lets move on to the community. The community only punished noobs who didn't have friends, if you were a jerk and griefer but your friends had a good laugh at all your antics then you never saw 1 disadvantage of being a griefer. Not 1.
Endgame was just fine before LFR as long as you were in the endgame, just like a night club that didn't allow a certain race to enter was just fine for you because you were not that race, you didn't like that race and you were already inside the club.
Having LFD/LFG did not make the community worse, what made the community worse was now that you had a button to avoid making a community yourself you choose to avoid making a community. People act like a random group button ruined the community but don’t want to put effort into the community unless you are forced to. There is nothing stopping you from making friends with people on your server and queueing up with those people, in fact there are advantages in doing so. For every person you know that you bring along thats one less person that may be incapable/afk. If you befriend a healer or tank you get reduced queue times, if you are a healer or tank your friends get the benefit of short queue times and you get to enjoy an event togeather while socialising on vent. The queue button does not stop you from making friends and playing with friends, you do.
well said.They don't want us playing at all, just farming mats to give to them, and of course paying or subs so they get their new raids. A month strike by casuals would be frightening - a months strike by hardcore pains would be a yawn - who in game would even notice?
The reason you get that reaction is because A: They have bad experiences with it in the past. B: Humans have a hard time understanding they may be doing something wrong by nature. C: Your approach was way off. I tend to say, "If you want I can give you some suggestions on how to increase your dps by 25% and if you don't like the suggestions you can always change it back to the way you like it." If they say no walk away, chances are in time they will start to get courious as to what it was that could increase their dps by 25% and come back to you.
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Guess what...they wouldn't care about either...know why? because in 1 month they would be back lmfao..blizzard looks at long term not short term. I love how people overestimate the amount of casuals that would actually do it to matter. you'd call for a strike and maybe 1000 would do it if that. Why? because casuals lack commitment and that means commitment to the game or a cause...
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