http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1017784...alue-of-Player
The marketing professionals say otherwise.
I agree "bro gamers" are terrible, but I also agree with others that you're over exaggerating a lot.
There's still long games with build ups to massive plots (Tales of Xillia comes to mind), there's still hard games, there's still everything. Yes, some people are aiming for the common denominator perhaps, but it doesn't mean they're ruining video games.
That's uh...about all I got.
Needs a sign in to view? Also is that even an market professional site? Looks more like a site about video game developers and what not?
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Teenagers are, and always will be, annoying twats. It's part of the age: You have kids old enough to have the self-awareness that makes you think you are knowledgeable, but aren't actually old enough to have the requisite experience to know what you're talking about. They have to fall back on assumption, because they have no practical knowledge or experience.
There are few to no exceptions to this rule. It's just part of growing up.
I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutesOr should I?
I'm watching the video now. I wasn't able to attend the 2013 GDC, however one of our developers (and my brother) did. I'll ask him about it while I watch that.
Also, making your argument "Watch this hour long video" isn't very persuasive.
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You really should have put a TL;DR into this... I'm not investing my time to read a long rant that I can only assume is a giant complaint about middle school gamers.
Most likely the wisest Enhancement Shaman.
I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutesOr should I?
Familiar with the concept of sample size? I don't think you are, so let me explain it. Lets say that Time.com puts up a poll. "Do you trust Obama?"
6000 people click yes, 4000 people click no. Meaning that out of the 8 billion or so people on Earth, 10,000 of them either saw it or gave enough of a shit to click one or the other.
Next thing you know - "40% of americans distrust Obama" is their headline.
So... 4000 people somehow auto-represent the interests and opinions of hundreds of millions? No, they actually don't. But "40% of americans distrust Obama" sounds a lot better and a lot more discussion-worthy than '4000 people don't trust Obama'.
The bottom line is this - your post is a whiny, elitist rant wrapped in false pretense about how people who aren't like you are ruining your precious hobby. Except it isn't just yours. And playing COD on hard doesn't make you any more significant or special than the guy down the street who plays it on easy. As I said in my first reply to this topic: you aren't saving lives. You're sitting on your ass pushing buttons and clicking.
Appreciate your time with friends and family while they're here. Don't wait until they're gone to tell them what they mean to you.
I probably couldn't disagree less on a lot of those points, and honestly I find it pitiful that someone thinks they know better on what others should enjoy or even what is best for the industry. Even to mention that one somehow knows their very thoughts and habits and then smear them with it, is such a low blow that I could puke for such arrogance.
I also find it extremely enjoyable every time people point me to the past of videogames and how beautiful and perfect it was. To which I said; going through a forest observing and noticing every tree is a hard task but once outside the forest overviewing it all the tallest and most beautiful trees are more easily spotted and the shrubbery and smaller trees are overshadowed.
Unfortunately I also have to disagree that there are some developers and publishers that do cater to "bro gamers" and indeed do water down their content to satisfy these people. That does sometimes hurt existing and developed franchises and I do find that infuriating, however I do not weep over spilled milk. To many times have I seen people weep and cry because their beloved toy isn't the same as it was the last time, it is pitiful that people can even associate themselves so deeply in a piece of entertainment.
Which lead to the last point. Did people really think that games would be this glorious piece of entertainment that wouldn't be tainted by the mainstreams watering down to fill all shoes? Sorry but there are so many excellent made games that have more depth than people even give them credit for, even some of these "bro games" have more depth than all those decade old RPGs and what not, that people are too blinded by sheer hatred and pitifulness because their "hardcore" spirit is somehow offended by their existence, then don't fucking play them. What an amazing world where there is games for everybody, but no, the "hardcore gamers" gets to decide what is deep and what is a good game.
May I remember people that ten-fifteen years ago, the amount of games released was far less. Odds are that games of their caliber (granted most of them were shit back then as well), is being released at the same pace, and these days we just see a lot of game of a different caliber (the ones that apparently "kills" the videogame industry)
Urgh... Sometimes I just feel like using the word entitled gamers but today won't be that day.
Alright, I watched that one part.
First, from the video, it's 65%, not 80%. You're just flat out lying, assuming you were pulling that data from the video.
Second, you misunderstood the video (which is where I think you're attempting to make a case from).
The "Bro Gamer" they refer to are people who don't have a lot of time to commit to games, and want to have a fun experience quickly, and easily. Usually winning equates to fun, most of the time. This has nothing to do with CoD, kids, or whiny highschoolers. You pretty much just made that part up.
All I really got from watching that is that you misinterpreted some useful information on marketing.
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