Rape is more about power than sex so changing how someone dresses isn't going to matter so much to the rapist. The only person that is responsible for rape is the rapist. Those responsible for removing it from society is everyone.
Rape is more about power than sex so changing how someone dresses isn't going to matter so much to the rapist. The only person that is responsible for rape is the rapist. Those responsible for removing it from society is everyone.
This is totally missing the point, it is all about communication. If you are communicating sex to someone in whatever way then people will react to that in a sexual way too. Claiming that dressing and how you act have nothing to do with what you are communicating is delusional at best. If you do not want to give mixed signals you will have to realize what you are saying in a none verbal way. Now i hear all the crazy feminist thinking "but he can't read minds" and other bullshit like that, but that is just stupid. If i show anyone a drawing of a face that is acting out a emotion you will guess 8 out of 10 right, that is not reading minds that is simple everyday none verbal communication. If you can't do this then there is something really wrong with you..
Now, if we can get so much information just out off seeing a picture, the whole shabang will say much much more. This includes everything, how you act, what you say, how you say it, how you dress, how you act towards new people you meet, and the list goes on and on.
You can call this "victim blaming" all you want, but it just isn't. If you can not be responsible for what you do, say and how you act then you might as well be "the property" as so many feminists would like you to believe that woman are treated. This is a situation they have brought on themselves, by not owning up to their own role in things and teaching young girls that "what ever happens they can do no wrong" they have created young woman who are either oblivious to the world around them or trying to "game the system" as much as they can..
http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/25/ma...male-campaign/ like this one did.
PSA: Men already know how to not rape. They know it's illegal and generally not a good thing to do.
However, certain individuals, for whatever reasons, decide to discard that knowledge and stick their peepee in places where it is not welcome.
Those people are generally called "rapists"
Obviously, it doesn't account for every rape that happens, and not even the majority of rapes. But that doesn't mean you don't protect yourself. We tell people to drive safe all the time, not to drive dangerously and blame the person that hits them going 80mph. Even if it's that driver's fault, driving dangerously didn't help the situation.
Let's face it, rape has been happening for as long as sex has been happening, and it won't go away anytime soon. That doesn't mean it won't go away, or that we shouldn't pursue the goal of ending rape as an institution. But if there is anything you can do to avoid it, you should do that. Many times, though, there is little a victim can do. And that is a point we need to really consider.
Victim blaming, as a practice, assumes the victim has the majority or even all of the blame. This is a ludicrous notion, as it absolves the rapist of the crime. Yet, it still happens, because people ASSUME that rape will go on forever and that women should expect to be threatened by it forever. This is where we need to change our views. Prospective rapists need to find an outlet for their problem and education for the understanding of what is "no" and what is "yes", and women that are at risk need to be watchful and careful until those people figure it out. That will be the fastest way to make progress.
Women need to be careful what they have on and what they drink and where they travel. You do not drink something a stranger gives you, you don not walk down a dark ally or walk alone at night.
Now i know someone is going to say well are you saying men are nothing more then beasts who cant control them selves... if you think that you really have lived a sheltered lift... the world is not all sparkly ponies and sun shine there are some really nasty people and some really dumb people out there. You do not jump into a bear cave with a big steak hanging off your neck.
On a 2nd note men should not drink something a stranger gives them walk alone at night or go down a dark ally.
I get so confused how people call this victim blaming its like saying the guy who jumped in the lake at night saying f the gators was not at fault or the guy who wanted to take a selfie with a rattle snake....
but again the rapist is always at fault just do not up the statistics by acting stupid.
There is the serious point that a lot of sexual assaults are carried out by people who don't realise they are carrying out sexual assaults.
Then again I suspect if someone is stupid enough to not realise they're carrying out an assault there's probably not much likelihood that they'll be receptive to education.
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I'd argue that personal responsibility isn't in play when it comes to being victimized by a violent abuser. Personal responsibility shouldn't ever be raised as a potential justification for being victimized. Blaming a rape victim for the way they dress is like blaming a mugging victim for visibly having a wallet, or blaming a murder victim for having irritated their murderer.
To any decent, normal man, a scantily clad woman isn't going to make us "rapey". We don't rape women because it's wrong, and we'd never do that. The way a woman dresses in no way makes a man "rapey". The only thing it might do is happen to catch his eye just enough for him to decide that you're his next victim. She is in no way at fault for that. If he hadn't chosen to rape her, he'd have raped someone else. Because he's a violent dickhead rapist, and he was looking for someone to victimize. That isn't in any way the victim's fault.
The only time personal responsibility should ever be considered as a factor is when you deliberately put yourself into an explicitly bad situation. By which I mean things like breaking into the sex offenders section of a prison while stark naked and screaming "RAPE ME". Climbing into a lion's cage at the zoo, and you've only got yourself to blame when the lion attacks you. But if you're just walking down the street minding your own business when HOLY FUCK A LION, it's not your damned fault you smell like lunch.
Stop trying to do this shit with "mixed signals", if someone says something contrary to how you "interpreted" them, that means you "read" their body language wrong. Like, really fucking wrong. Verbal > body language because people are so shit at interpreting body language.
Woman wears clothing that invites men to look at her in a sexual way.
Woman struts her stuff to show off her body in an area that's not so safe.
Woman gets raped.
Sure, the guy is definitely at fault, but sometimes it takes two to make something happen. Maybe if women would dress a bit more conservatively, maybe if women wouldn't be showing off their body so much, maybe if women would watch what they're doing at parties and such, we'd see a lot less rapes.
Do you walk down the streets of the ghettos at night wearing an armani suit, and carrying a briefcase full of cash? Of course not. That'd be inviting a mugger to rob you blind. Do you park a Lamborghini and leave the doors unlocked and the keys in the ignition in some dark parking lot at night? I would hope not.
So why on Earth would you want to wear skimpy clothing that invites men to lust over your body and then strut your stuff at some party where someone can drug you or grab you and make off with you and take what they want?
Doesn't matter if it is a robbery, rape, murder, there's the person who commits the crime... and then there's the person who the crime is committed against.
If the latter invites the former by being an easy target, or an attractive target, then the latter is partially contributing to the crime. Everybody has a responsibility to act maturely and in such a way that they are protecting themselves from such crime. Sometimes crime happens anyways even if you do take all the precautionary measures, but if you do something absolutely stupid and you become the victim of a crime... then yes, you're partially to blame for it.
"A woman shouldn't have to change her clothing because of lustful men!"
Ok, are you also saying that a rich man shouldn't have to change out of his armani suit before walking down the streets in a ghetto at night? lol.
Everybody is responsible for their own personal safety. This includes women and skimpy clothing. There's no reason to wear skimpy clothing other than to get men to lust after them. Is it really THAT big of a surprise when a woman who was wearing that trashy clothing gets raped? Now, obviously, if a woman was not wearing trashy clothing and still got raped... then no, she's not at fault (unless she did something else stupid, like drinking at a party or something) at all.
You can't just disregard personal safety and expect the rest of the world to conform to you. No, you must conform to it. If personal safety means not going down the ghetto streets at night wearing rich clothing and carrying money, then yes... that means you either have to not carry the money, not wear such rich-looking clothing, or take the long way to avoid the ghetto street. If you're a woman wanting to avoid being raped, then yes... you should not be wearing skimpy clothing and perhaps you should be avoiding parties and drinking. Perhaps if the woman in question weren't wearing trashy clothing, men might have a little more respect for her, eh?
As a man, you don't need to teach us "not to rape". That isn't something men naturally lean to.
You're confusing the majority of men for the minority of asshole dickface rapists. Some men get violent and murder people, but that doesn't mean all men are seething violent murderers at heart, either. Those psychopaths are the exception, not the rule.
And yes, I don't care if you're (speaking in the VERY general, to a hypothetical, not to you, Ivanstone) pushing a girl you're dating past her comfort zone rather than grabbing a stranger and dragging her into the pushes; you're a rapist dickbag who gets off on abusing women. It isn't "normal" or "how things are"; it's you being a sick fuck.
In your analogy, the guy walking down the street would be covered in blood and carrying a steak in his hands.The only time personal responsibility should ever be considered as a factor is when you deliberately put yourself into an explicitly bad situation. By which I mean things like breaking into the sex offenders section of a prison while stark naked and screaming "RAPE ME". Climbing into a lion's cage at the zoo, and you've only got yourself to blame when the lion attacks you. But if you're just walking down the street minding your own business when HOLY FUCK A LION, it's not your damned fault you smell like lunch.
Skimpy clothing on a woman exists for the one and only purpose of making men lust after them. The only reason a woman would be wearing that kind of clothing is when they WANT male attention.
So if you walk down the street holding a steak in your hands with blood all over you, then yes... when that Lion jumps on you, you definitely were contributing to the problem.
And being mugged just because you had a wallet... try "wearing an armani suit carrying a briefcase full of cash while walking through a ghetto" is a better way to say it.