UPDATE : More in depth discussion here
Greetings fellow warriors,
I know there has already been a Frenzy post in there, but the only one I could find was just some speculations about, yes or no, is it good ?
The answer is yes.
Another question one may ask would be, is it better than the other talent Inner Rage ?
The answer is much more complicated and I would like to say yes and no.
Now I'm not going to write any guide on how to play with Frenzy (because I'm not very good with simcraft and I still don't know what optimized rotations you should be using), but I definitely played with it a crapton, and I would like to give it the credit it deserves, because it is good, it's really good.
First of all, let's mention that you sim more with Frenzy, almost regardless of your build. Not by a lot but theoretically, in pure single target, Frenzy is better than IR. (I want to share a link that shows it but I can't since it's my first post)
Now, don't get me wrong, Frenzy is much more demanding because you lose the sooo comfortable ("versatile" like many say) 150% raging blow dealing so much damage, now if it deals 600k (both hands) you can be happy becuase you just crit compared to the 1M5 you would have dealt, it just feels really weird and weak.
So the big point with Frenzy is that it's much more demanding in the way that you have to manage you rage in a much more quicker way, never leaving the boss' ass, playing the rotation basically perfectly,... and still, you will always be behind IR in practice... until the execute phase.
What really makes Frenzy shine is the execute phase, simply because with the haste you have, you are able to make your Juggernaut stacks grow much faster. Combined with the head legendary, you generate soo much rage, it really makes it pretty insane. You are able to cast more executes during your battle cry at really high stacks. You also get more Rage of the Valarjar procs, so more crit chance, more auto-attacks, which also mean more rage,...
My point by mentionning all of this, is that I think Frenzy has its place in the meta (that I know is going to change in about 3 weeks), but not everywhere... I think that in single target it's really good, but on short fights, Inner Rage will always be better no matter what! On longer fights, Frenzy is able to outperform Inner Rage and can make a pretty big difference.
In progress especially, if there is a boss you haven't killed yet, or just once but not everyone is familiar with the strat yet and people tend to die, if the execute phase tends to last long enough, Frenzy could really make your DPS fly, but also help a lot to kill the boss faster !
I have myself been playing Frenzy for a couple of months now (3-4). I believe I started using it when we were doing progress on Normal Nighthold, since then I fell in love with the spec, the fact that the 15%+ haste increase makes the gameplay challenging and even more nervous. But I haven't forgotten Inner Rage, I come back to it rather often to compare both, trying to see which is best on which boss and why.
For example, on Chronomatic anomaly in Mythic, the fast phase makes Frenzy completely unplayable, same with Elisande when you get the pink haste buff. You then gain so much with the 150% raging blows that Frenzy becomes pretty useless (aside from really unplayable )
But on all of the other bosses, and I haven't even mentionned how good it is in sustained multitarget, I believe it is a viable talent that can compete very closely with Inner Rage.
And all of this saddens me because I feel really lonely, I can't find anyone who enjoys the spec, anyone with some knowledge that could help me bring the spec even higher. So I hope that with this, I'm able to reach out to one of you guys who is crazy enough to experience it the way I am.
Since it's my first post, I am not able to share any link and images so if you are curious enough, feel free to look at my logs on WarcraftLogs by searching for "Earalås", i'm on the Hyjal-EU server.
One may say that your perfs are completely dependant to your raid comp/strat/situations, and that person will be correct.
However yesterday, me and my guildies killed Mythic Krosus a second time, the first one being this Monday (so 2 days earlier). Let me tell you that the fights were extremely similar. First kill I played it safe and picked Inner Rage since I wasn't familiar with the mechanics (when to burst, dealing with the adds,...) but got used to it and the kill was super clean, nobody died, killed it a little bit after phase 4. And so was the 2nd kill. Almost the same. Adds wise it was fairly well dealt with. Also, exactly same stuff. But that 2nd time, I played with Frenzy... So for you lazy ones here is the DPS.
• 963,133.0k 904 5:27 May 31, 2017 1332222 ( Frenzy)
• 937,702.0k 904 5.37 May 29, 2017 1332232 (Inner rage)
So it's really damn close ! which means it's competitive, now is one better than the other? I don't know. Inner Rage probably becomes a bit better while Krosus takes less and less time to kill. (but before the execute phase, i believe I was around 900k (maybe a bit lower) which is not bad at all)
Another good example would be Trilliax ; I switch almost every kill from Inner Rage to Frenzy to compare, and all of my best perfs are with Frenzy
• 904,767.0k 904 4:54 May 31, 2017 2332222 (Frenzy)
• 901,690.0k 901 4:50 May 24, 2017 2332222 (Frenzy)
• 890,429.0k 898 5:21 May 03, 2017 2332222 (Frenzy) --> that one got me a 100% ilvl
• 881,044.0k 901 4:53 May 22, 2017 2332232 (Inner Rage)
• 862,661.0k 901 4:54 May 10, 2017 2332232 (Inner Rage)
I know, I know, fights are not the same, stuff is maybe a bit different, maybe people died. I'm just really trying to prove that it is really competitive if you know how to play with Frenzy !
Here is with Mythic Aluriel (to show you the potential in multi target):
• 1,255,180.0k 904 6:15 May 29, 2017 1312222 (Wrecking ball + Frenzy) --> that one also got me a 100% ilvl yaay
• 1,154,520.0k 903 7:08 May 22, 2017 1312232 (Wrecking ball + Inner Rage)
For this one, I know it strongly depends on the amount of burst aoe in the raid. If you have full Elemental Shaman, you should probably go full singletarget hahaha.
I know some people don't like it, maybe they are not aware of all the subtleties of the rotation (at least the ones I came up with, since I haven't found any guide), how to deal with situations when you play with it, and so on... maybe they are aware and still don't like it.
Play whatever you like. I fucking love the entire class, I love Arms, I love Prot, I love Inner rage too! I just love Frenzy better and I'm hoping I can make you take a look in the spec to see if you can enjoy it as much I as do.
Again, I'm not trying to prove which is better than the other one, I'm just trying to prove that Frenzy is viable if you thought otherwise
Maybe if enough people are interested, I can share some of my knowledge on how I play the spec. I could even do some researches on the optimal cycles even though I think I pretty much figured it out.
This post is already pretty long so I'll stop right here, hoping to get some of your feedback brother warriors. Warrior forever !!
(sorry for my english, if I made some mistakes here and there, I'm only french :3)
Cheers <3