The Hypocrisy of Pro-Life States

[Rasulis]

While Ireland Plans To Offer Abortions For Free, only one Abortion Clinic Remains Open In Missouri, following the new state Requirements. Under the new requirements, abortion providers must secure admitting privileges at hospitals located within about 15 minutes from their health centers. Therefore, under the new regulations, only Planned Parenthood's St. Louis clinic currently provides abortions. The pretext is that it makes patients safer if they experience complications from the abortion.

However, despite their such deep concerns for the well being of mothers and their infants, Missouri, and other pro-life states have some of the highest infant and maternity mortality rates.

The U.S. infant mortality rate is 5.9 deaths per 1,000 birth. The Missouri rate is 6.5 deaths. It actually went up from 6.3 in 2016 to 6.5 in 2017. Lowest are New Hampshire (4.2), and Massachusetts and California (4.4).

Infant mortality rate in the United States as of 2017, by state (deaths per 1,000 live births)

The same with maternity mortality rate. The United Health Foundation’s 2018 Health of Women and Children Report pegged the national average at about 20.7 deaths per 100,000 births, while Missouri’s maternal mortality rate was 32.6 deaths per 100,000 births. Kansas clocked in at 19.6, Texas 34.2 and GA topped it at 46.2. While states like California (4.5) and Massachusetts (6.1) are well under double digits. California rate is so low, that it is not included in the national rate calculation because, combined with the large population base, it skewed the data too much.

Maternal Mortality in Missouri in 2018 (You can check the rate for other states on the website also).

Pro-life states also tend to be states with the least access to birth control. Nurx, a San Francisco based company, is known as the Uber for birth control. The company is one of the largest provider of birth control in the pro-life states, especially in the rural areas. The company has drawn the ire of the pro-life activists because they also offer morning-after pills (Plan B and Ella) which are classified as contraceptive by the FDA. However, in the view of pro-life activists these pills are considered to be on the same level as abortion pill like RU 486. In their eyes, “a fertilized egg is the same as pregnancy and is the same as a person.”

[PosPosPos]

Remember, it's not pro-life, it's pro-death after birth.

For all their preening over the sanctity of human life, that seems to end as soon as the baby is born.

[Wyrt]

They only care until the fetus is born, then the kid can die for all they care.

Because it's not about life, it's about controlling/punishing women.

[Rasulis]

Here is an article about maternity mortality rate in CA. The state managed to lower rate from 6.7 in 2013 to 4.5 in 2018.

https://www.vox.com/science-and-heal...mortality-rate

[Mayhem]

At this point, wouldn't it make sense to just call it hygopcrisy?

[Eveningforest]

The recent rise in maternal mortality is a pretty disturbing trend. This should not be happening this day and age, and is definitely not happening in other civilized countries.
If you stretch your health care staff so thin that they can't follow certain procedures due to lack of time and man manpower, it may have disastrous effects. Who would have guessed.
If you think your hospitals are understaffed in a large blue city (and they are), you can bet your pants the situation is much worse in the South. And those nurses make about a third of what we make.

[Rasulis]

The recent rise in maternal mortality is a pretty disturbing trend. This should not be happening this day and age, and is definitely not happening in other civilized countries.
If you stretch your health care staff so thin that they can't follow certain procedures due to lack of time and man manpower, it may have disastrous effects. Who would have guessed.
If you think your hospitals are understaffed in a large blue city (and they are), you can bet your pants the situation is much worse in the South. And those nurses make about a third of what we make.

That is part of of the problem. Defunding and closing Planned Parenthood facilities definitely did not help make it better. Here is a bill they tried to pass in Wisconsin which would prohibit medical residents at the University of Wisconsin-Madison from learning how to provide abortions. Which would cause the school to loose its OB-GYN national accreditation. Luckily saner minds prevailed. There is a shortage of OB-GYN in the US now. Especially in pro-life states. Twenty six counties in Missouri do not have access to an OB-GYN. Half the women in Texas do not have access to an OB-GYN.

[Eveningforest]

That is part of of the problem. Defunding and closing Planned Parenthood facilities definitely did not help make it better. Here is a bill they tried to pass in Wisconsin which would prohibit medical residents at the University of Wisconsin-Madison from learning how to provide abortions. Which would cause the school to loose its OB-GYN national accreditation. Luckily saner minds prevailed. There is a shortage of OB-GYN in the US now. Especially in pro-life states. Twenty six counties in Missouri do not have access to an OB-GYN. Half the women in Texas do not have access to an OB-GYN.

Of course the problem is multifaceted. I only focused on the one part which rings closest to home for me. Also, to add to your previous post regarding California, let's not forget that that is one of the last states in the country with an active nurses union. Their newly developed "toolkit" will be easier to implement there simply because staff to patient ratios are actually observed.

[Gestopft]

It doesn’t have to make sense, it just has to get enough Republicans elected that they can shower their donors with money

[Thepersona]

They only care until the fetus is born, then the kid can die for all they care.

Because it's not about life, it's about controlling/punishing women.

This. It's about making women subservient to men, and how evil is for conservatives that they can achieve an orgasm outside a marriage

[Machismo]

This is the act of regulating something to death, and the GOP will get away with it. They will do the same with gay marriage, and anything else they don't happen to like, including foreigners, brown people, and any religions they don't happen to like.

[Tulune]

[pathora44]

That is part of of the problem. Defunding and closing Planned Parenthood facilities definitely did not help make it better. Here is a bill they tried to pass in Wisconsin which would prohibit medical residents at the University of Wisconsin-Madison from learning how to provide abortions. Which would cause the school to loose its OB-GYN national accreditation. Luckily saner minds prevailed. There is a shortage of OB-GYN in the US now. Especially in pro-life states. Twenty six counties in Missouri do not have access to an OB-GYN. Half the women in Texas do not have access to an OB-GYN.

Jesus Christ that is third world level insanity right there. Women in the U.S. having no access to vital doctor check ups and treatment all because they want to control women, I mean "save" the poor baby fetuses.

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Ya that one is a personal favorite to show how outright hypocritical the vast majority of pro-lifers are and how quick they are to turn on new born children and their mothers once they leave the womb.

[Endus]

Remember, it's not pro-life, it's pro-death after birth.

For all their preening over the sanctity of human life, that seems to end as soon as the baby is born.

It's about perspective. And religious extremism. Basically.

Some Christian sects believe in Original Sin; every life is born a sinner. Baptism at birth washes that away. Any infant born, even if it does within hours, can be baptised, and that's a clean soul in Heaven. Any child that dies in the womb? Limbo. Forever lost. No chance of reprieve.

Once you realise it isn't about babies at all, it's about souls, the whole thing becomes that much more ridiculous and asinine.

[PosPosPos]

It's about perspective. And religious extremism. Basically.

Some Christian sects believe in Original Sin; every life is born a sinner. Baptism at birth washes that away. Any infant born, even if it does within hours, can be baptised, and that's a clean soul in Heaven. Any child that dies in the womb? Limbo. Forever lost. No chance of reprieve.

Once you realise it isn't about babies at all, it's about souls, the whole thing becomes that much more ridiculous and asinine.

Which is ironic, because let's assume it's true, that the unborn are sinners and the born are forgiven, so why would they act like the unborn are innocent, but past birth they are sinners that burden society(especially if born to a poor family).

I suspect if they were confronted with this line of argument, their resulting cognitive dissonance would be hilarious to watch.

[Endus]

Which is ironic, because let's assume it's true, that the unborn are sinners and the born are forgiven, so why would they act like the unborn are innocent, but past birth they are sinners that burden society(especially if born to a poor family).

I suspect if they were confronted with this line of argument, their resulting cognitive dissonance would be hilarious to watch.

It's not really cognitive dissonance. It's that they really just care that the child's born so it can be baptised. They lie about their motives because they know a religious motive won't convince nonbelievers.

That people on welfare are moocher scum is just secondary and irrelevant, because again, it doesn't matter if a baptised infant dies from malnutrition and neglect. They got baptised, that puts another point on God's scoreboard for the Apocalypse.

[PosPosPos]

It's not really cognitive dissonance. It's that they really just care that the child's born so it can be baptised. They lie about their motives because they know a religious motive won't convince nonbelievers.

That people on welfare are moocher scum is just secondary and irrelevant, because again, it doesn't matter if a baptised infant dies from malnutrition and neglect. They got baptised, that puts another point on God's scoreboard for the Apocalypse.

Assuming that a good part of the New Testament wasn't about love, forgiveness and compassion of neighbors; as well as the poor going to heaven and the rich burning in hell.

Or maybe that's it, in their minds they mistreat the poor so they would enter heaven faster, that they think they are doing them a favor.

Ok, that was really chilling, this entire conversational line would make a good horror story to trade with this Halloween.

[Mormolyce]

Ya that one is a personal favorite to show how outright hypocritical the vast majority of pro-lifers are and how quick they are to turn on new born children and their mothers once they leave the womb.

Fucking sluts getting pregnant and having welfare babies! They'll grow up to be criminals and be a huge drain on society!

But they better not abort them!

[Xeones]

I legitimately don't understand why republicans are anti-choice when they are so pro death in literally every other situation.

[Demasiados]

I legitimately don't understand why republicans are anti-choice when they are so pro death in literally every other situation.

I think this is an invalid argument. Try to find a case where there's a human inside another human and those on the outside is making decision for the one inside. Thats because it has no equivalency with anything else.