Without digging over the past too much I think that the leave campaign did a very effective job of harnessing the anger that many leave voters felt and it was instrumental in leave securing the victory.
I disagree, leave refused to listened to experts and remain refused to what leavers were saying during the run up to the ref. perhaps if either side had been just a little more willing to listen to each other things would have been different?
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May is going soon and will most likely announce her resignation when the withdrawal bill is defeated again.
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1129022177288904705
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Labour seem to be moving towards backing a confirmatory ref.
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1129071598047256577
Last edited by Pann; 2019-05-16 at 05:27 PM.
Top-voted BBC comment:
3. Posted by surfingsharka on
9 hours ago
May has put Chris Grayling in charge of naming her departure date.
I have it on good authority that he is busy arranging it for September 31st.
Hmmms
The interesting question is what will Tory Remainers do if a grassroots type replaces her. Will they actually put their money where their mouths are and quit the party if e.g., BoJo is elected.
Would their votes (with the opposition) be enough to bring down the government? Would they have the proverbial cojones their counterparts on the right of the party claim to have?
In a way, although I dislike May and her nauseating patronising primary school teacher attitude, I think it's probably better she stayed until Labour's hand is finally forced.
I wonder if BoJo's gamble is: lose vote of no confidence, GE, coalition with Brexit Party, hard Brexit. BoJo as PM, Farage as Minister without Portfolio.
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You think I'm pissed now, Pann? The above occurs, you ain't seen nuttin.
Last edited by LeGin Tufnel; 2019-05-16 at 08:04 PM.
Peston blogged about this kind of situation earlier today: https://www.itv.com/news/2019-05-16/...he-tory-party/
Maybe you shouldn't read it...
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
Johnson as PM attempting to force through a hard Brexit will eventually loose the support of the DUP, so yes.
For this to happen, Conservatives + Brexit party need an overall majority in the GE, and the Brexit party are still polling at UKIP levels even with the Conservatives collapsing.
Helpfully, Brexit party manifesto snippets are coming thick and fast to billboards near you
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The business of politics is fast moving, prestissimo to you, obligatory example to follow. Who could have predicted the last 3 months would look like this graph?
Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May are now more unpopular than Nigel Farage.
Net favourability scores:
Nigel Farage: -32
Theresa May: -49 (her all-time low)
Jeremy Corbyn: -50
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1128981188176220160
People vote for the party not the person you'll say? Nah nonsense i'll say, they are en masse going to vote for our Nigel.
And in days we'll see just that joyous occasion unfold...
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
You do realise that -35 isn't a good score, don't you? That people hate Farage, they just happen to think even less of May and Corbyn at the moment?
What am I saying. You think that 33% is a democratic majority. You think that a party standing on a single issue can win an election, especially when that one issue is a group of idiots wanting the impossible from a group of liars and conmen. You won't get the Brexit you want, even if May goes. BoJo won't give you a hard Brexit, he would have to take responsibility for it. May leaving probably just increases the chance of cancelling Article 50, rather than going to a second vote. Either way, you lose.
When challenging a Kzin, a simple scream of rage is sufficient. You scream and you leap.
Originally Posted by George CarlinOriginally Posted by Douglas Adams
The Brexit party don't have to win the General election though, just enough seats to be kingmaker, a dozen would do it - ask the DUP.
Boris on the Westminster Iron Throne, I see you accept that is now likely. Farage as kingmaker would come with a price. Still don't see that? Give another probable scenario, can you?
Sorry, but you lose.
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
last time he had the chance he pulled a brave sir Robin.
Do keep up. The one that is coming shortly after Boris Johnson's coronation.
The new Brexit Party led by Nigel Farage is on course to win nearly 50 seats at the next general election after overtaking the Conservatives in a national poll for the first time
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...y-beats-tories
They have been going for barely a month. You honestly think we have reached peak Brexit party? Give King Nigel and his merry men a few more weeks campaigning in Labour marginals...you'll see.
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
Add how Claire Fox thinks that it's ok that there's child porno on the internet...