I don't see any kind of electoral reform happening. The British seem to be stuck on tradition too much.
I don't see any kind of electoral reform happening. The British seem to be stuck on tradition too much.
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Oh good, the tick tock is back. Is your memory so short you can't remember how badly it all fucked up the last time you did that? And the time before that? Like the Brexit Party, you have just the one trick. And it's a shit one.
Can't wait until you are disappointed again.
When challenging a Kzin, a simple scream of rage is sufficient. You scream and you leap.
Originally Posted by George CarlinOriginally Posted by Douglas Adams
Hahaha
Except things are a bit different this time. Whoever comes next is not going to be a remainer PM leading a remain cabinet. The softest Brexit you are going to get is the Boris Johnson WTO brexit, anything else will have Farage paws all over it.
Must hurt if you are a remainer to be rooting for Boris Johnson as your best softest brexit option PM, bwahhhahahahaaa
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
Not particularly. BoJo is conceited enough to throw Brexit under the bus if a WTO Brexit looked like it would cost him the premiership, which it probably would considering the only thing people can agree on is that they don't want a no deal.
About the only thing he can be trusted on is lying.
Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
Hmm, I wouldn't go counting those chlorinated chickens just yet.
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1138457750759968768
That's just to stop an incoming PM from proroguing parliament though? It still remains that the only way Article 50 can be extended is if the new PM writes to the EU and requests that. The new PM, under peril of the brexit party, can refuse to do that even if parliament instructs him/her to do so.
Chlorinated chicken, yummy.
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
As I understand it this is just the beginning of the process to give MPs control of the Brexit timetable.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48598760
October 31st is the end date of the brexit timetable whatever parliament does. Only the PM, by writing to the EU and with their agreement, can alter that date. If that extension request letter never arrives at the EU by Oct 31st, what parliament says matters nowt. We are out.
Do you really see Boris writing that begging letter as Theresa did? That would be a gift to the Brexit party...
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
Again, we are going to have to educate you about reality. Johnson being PM doesn't change the math in Parliament. Still no majority for no-deal, and still a guarantee that MPs will do everything they can to stop it happening. The deal that May negotiated is the only one on the table, and there isn't any support for that. Want to renegotiate that? Fine, lets start the clock again and in a couple of years time we might have another deal. By then more of the old rascists that voted for Brexit will have died, and the majority against it would have increased further.
The longer this goes on, the greater the chance the whole thing gets called off. And regardless of which of the Tories win, you don't have the numbers to push through pretty much any form of Brexit, let alone a hard one.
So go ahead and gloat. It just shows, as usual, how little you understand of what's happening.
When challenging a Kzin, a simple scream of rage is sufficient. You scream and you leap.
Originally Posted by George CarlinOriginally Posted by Douglas Adams
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
If it is passed into law (which would appear to the plan) that the government must seek an extension in order to avoid no deal then Johnson, or whoever, would be breaking the law if they did not do so. However where it becomes less clear is if an extension is requested but not granted.
Parliament can order the PM to ask for one. Like they did in April.
The EU doesn't want to be the bad guy in this. If the UK asks for an extension they will get it. In April people were saying that there would be lots of string attached to a second extension, and the UK essentially got it for nothing.
Last edited by Butler to Baby Sloths; 2019-06-11 at 07:32 PM.
The EU have bent over backwards in this whole process to allow it to be driven by the UK. They don't want us to be able to redirect any of the blame their way, and I don't blame them. So I suspect that an extension will be almost automatic.
And I find it highly amusing that dribbles believes that Johnson, a man with an almost perfect track record of looking after number 1, would do something like ignoring Parliament by refusing to seek an extension. He won't risk pushing through a hard Brexit in a way that would place all of the blame squarely on his shoulders.
When challenging a Kzin, a simple scream of rage is sufficient. You scream and you leap.
Originally Posted by George CarlinOriginally Posted by Douglas Adams
And presumably if Boris didn't seek an extension and write the letter after instruction by parliament, as PM the only person that can, he would be held in contempt. We'd still be, irreversibly, out.
I wonder what the penalty for that, presumably contempt of parliament, would be? Wiki says :- The last time Parliament fined someone was in 1666, and the last time it imprisoned anyone was in 1880 (in the Clock Tower).
Looks like he might get his wrists slapped, possibly... He won't write the letter that destroys him and the Conservative party.
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
Not totally irreversably
I'm also not 100% sure that it is only the PM that can write the letter. Parliament empowers the PM, as head of government, to do so. Parliament could, in theory, empower somebody else to do it (the Cabinet Secretary and the Speaker of the House come to mind). Enabling Acts can enable anything.
Last edited by Butler to Baby Sloths; 2019-06-11 at 11:05 PM.
Honestly I don't know whether that would be the case. My gut feeling is that the PM (regardless of their Brexit stance) would not ignore parliament and refuse to seek an extension when required to do so by law and I suspect that if they did it would bring down the government.