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I'll say it if you won't. As far as the EU is concerned, inner conflict in a third country is an acceptable price for the EU staying intact and being able to police its outer border. Especially when it's self-inflicted and part of the democratic will of said third country.
There is absolutely no doubt that everyone in the EU and me wish there wasn't people going to be hurt or dying, but yes, we are absolutely taking THAT over the destruction of thet best fucking thing that happened in Europe in the past 2000 years. Yes, the EU, not the magna charta. Deal with it. PEACE in Europe is more important than peace in Northern Ireland. No, I won't even apologize one bit for saying that. The UK needs to set their priorities straight. They are NOT that important anymore. The British Empire is DEAD. Brexiteers wanted out, the UK will be out in about 2 months. And they need to learn to solve they problems on their own really fucking fast.
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The UK will be a third country. Yes. We have dual citizenships with Turkey, the US and a metric ton of other countries. Doesn't make them part of the EU, either. So what's your point? The legality on this is very, very clear.
And Northern Ireland declaring itself independent and rejoining the EU (which I assume is a given, just like with Scotland) absolutely would solve the problem from our perspective. Part of the reason why we're having this discussion is because to the UK, the integrity of the United Kingdom is just as sacro-sanct as the integrity of the EU is to us.
Take that away by the UK breaking up all on its own and you don't have the logical paradox anymore. Can just align NI with EU rules like the original plan was as a quick fix. Extend the backstop to the Irish channel, which was the first plan we came up with.
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You missed the part where they were organised and armed by UK security forces. Obviously under unification, they wouldn't get that.
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The biggest impact on the IRA was Clinton banning their "private" funding from the USA.
Ruth Davidson, in her resignation conference, is suggesting that the Queen's Speech and a new session of Parliament could allow the government to bring back the, three times voted down, withdrawal agreement and is urging those who want to avoid no-deal to vote it through!
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This is a good point (and serves to highlight just how complex the situation in Ireland is/was) the IRA held on to their weapons after the GFA was signed and it is was not until the US cracked down on funding that they gave them up.
Well, the dude I was responding to talked about Independence. It isn't covered in the GFA, but if Scotland can be independent, I don't see why NI and Wales can't split.
I can't comment on Scotland, they seem to think they can make it. Apart from that, why is Scotland not allowed to make a stupid decision? Why do we only let the guys in London be sovereign?
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'Understand members of the Lords have been told to prepare for all night sittings next week - in expectation they will be discussing legislation to block no deal.'
https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/s...43679741251584
Could be interesting but I see little point to blocking no-deal unless they are actually going to do something this time.
Change the government? Sounds like a good idea. General Election on Nov 1st anyone? Westminster voting intention...
CON: 34% (+1)
LAB: 22% (+1)
LDEM: 17% (-2)
BREX: 13% (-1)
GRN: 8% (+1)
via @YouGov, 27 - 28
Chgs. w/ 23 Aug
https://twitter.com/britainelects/st...55993910800384
So do the remainers in parliament have the gumption to call that VONC next week?
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
Yeah, I'm not sure that is applicable in this instance.
The upcoming Brexit deadline is the third. It is a waste of everyone's time to request another extension and then do nothing once again - if they are going to request an extension they need to act (and accept that the public might necessarily feel the same way) and not just put things off for another few months or get behind Johnson (and hopefully get a deal).
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Ruth Davidson's resignation has potentially weakened the Cons prospects in a GE.
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
42% of the vote ended with a hung parliament in 2017. Do you really fancy your chances of getting any sort of majority with 34% of the vote? And bear in mind that some of the Tories elected with that will STILL be against no-deal. Sure, the Brexit party are showing as 13%, but you can't rely on that turning into many votes in FPTP. They may get a handful. No guarantee that if the Brexit party drops out in some kind of stitch up, that those votes will all end up with the Tories anyway.
All the parties opposed to no-deal would be above 50%, once you include the Scottish and Welsh parties. That is a rock solid mandate to ensure that can't happen, based on the 2016 referendum. Or are you changing the rules again, since they don't suit you?
It is amusing to me that your expectations are now so low that a poll that is this...well, "meh"....can get you so excited.
When challenging a Kzin, a simple scream of rage is sufficient. You scream and you leap.
Originally Posted by George CarlinOriginally Posted by Douglas Adams
Not with FPTP. Their vote is so evenly spread that 13% would probably only result in 20 or 30 seats. I'm sure someone has done some analysis of this, but it is likely to be very low. The Libs got 12 seats for 7.4% of the vote in 2017.
They wouldn't get close to a majority with those numbers. Especially if the polling proves to be as inaccurate as it was last time.
When challenging a Kzin, a simple scream of rage is sufficient. You scream and you leap.
Originally Posted by George CarlinOriginally Posted by Douglas Adams
Your omissions are amusing in that Labour achieved 40% of the vote in competition with the Tories 42% in 2017. Theirs, under Corbyn's illustrious leadership have halved, whilst the tories with Boris delivering the will of the people are still on or around, within the margin of error, 40%.
Nice try but am having a little hue hue hue over that lazy post. Should try harder...
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
The Brexit Party, like UKIP before it wouldn't manage a single seat. Unlike the Lib Dems, there isn't really anywhere they have a strong presence. Meanwhile Remainer Tories and Labours would actually rather vote Lib Dem where there's prospect of keeping the other out, as they did in the recent By-Election. BP are a protest vote, while Lib Dems are a genuine tactical vote.
It's also clear the Tories would do rather less well in Scotland this time around, again this requires a smaller proportion of the vote to make a much bigger impact on seats.
Would also be nice if Sinn Fein took their seats, or that those voting in those areas voted for someone who would.
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34% is "within a margin of error" to 40%. Only if your margins can be as lazy as yours are. And if you think back, in 2017 they were polling about 5% higher than what they saw at the election. So that 34% could easily end up being even lower.
But sure, have a nervous chuckle. You know that the numbers don't support your fascist dream of what you want the UK to end up like. You know that the end result is going to be either the softest of Brexits or the cancellation of Article 50 completely. You could have pushed it a bit if your side started this whole process with even an ounce of compromise in mind. But instead you decided that the tiny majority the referendum had was a mandate for all manner of red lines and any form of hard Brexit you fancied. Which meant you could never get anything through, and now you are going to lose.
Three years wasted on this nonsense, which we could have used to fix actual genuine problems. Next time you decide to ask for something to happen, at least have the vaguest fucking clue about what it is you want, and how you want to get it. Maybe then you might succeed.
When challenging a Kzin, a simple scream of rage is sufficient. You scream and you leap.
Originally Posted by George CarlinOriginally Posted by Douglas Adams