The problem is passing it. The current model isn't close to what needs to be done and I'm unsure of how much genuine political will there is to changing it with how much each party is funded from it.
The problem is passing it. The current model isn't close to what needs to be done and I'm unsure of how much genuine political will there is to changing it with how much each party is funded from it.
Having grown up in Wyoming and enjoying a single payer system for the previous 6 years the plan should be to get in the US but the fact of the matter is that Money talks in America period. I mean do people forget the May Day riots? America has been a very right wing nation and i do not see that changing, as a Muslim who experienced bigotry daily while i was in the states tells me that people would rather not have medical services if it meant the other did not get it either. Until the medicare for all people start donating more money then other lobbyists good luck.
i think it doesnt have so much to do with donations as much as the enourmous free media the "corporate establishments" recieve from the Television networks and cable networks. until there is more peopledriven media and/or publicly funded elections the establishment will always have the edge in elections.
The funny thing is i saw a video about Biden shouting and more or less threatened to "take a voter outside and kick his ass" when arguing guncontrol eventhough he was actually right on the issue and the voter was wrong about what Biden had said. But thee was barely any negative coverage for Biden from that only "Biden is strong" and such. Dont try to tell me that Sanders would have gotten the same coverage if it had been him! They would have been screaming "Sanders is toxic and rude to voters of Michigan" all day everyday for weeks.
I agree but i still think that money talks first and foremost, its how opinions are changed in D.C. I am sure youtube and twitter videos have helped fuel alot of the populist movements but once legacy media gets more involved in those platforms with some dealings to their content tilted towards the top of search results etc the cycle will loop.
The phrase "involuntary taxes" is, itself, bullshit propaganda. Taxes are an obligation. And that's not relevant to whether the system you're in is capitalist or socialist. Or mercantilist, or mutualist, or whatever other economic system you want to talk about.
That's one of the right reasons. So far, your only argument against that is "economics isn't science", which A> nobody ever claimed, and B> you've posted a whopping heap of anti-science stuff in the past.BTW I'm not even trying to convince anyone that they shouldn't support universal healthcare, I've literally never done that. I'm just saying they shouldn't justify it for the wrong reasons such as "top economists said it's the best".
Holy FuckExpertOpinions There Batman. And what justifications should we be using here? According to you we can't use history, science and now economics.
Someday the US will pull its head of its ass and get single payer. You'll bitch about having to pay your taxes until that day arrives when you actually seriously need that healthcare. I would hope when that day arrives you log onto this forum and apologize to the rest of us but you'll probably just bitch about your freedumbs instead.
You're assuming that countries with healthcare are socialist fantasy lands with high unemployement and people who feel like they're slaves. You're wrong.
And why dismiss expert opinions? My only guess would be that you don't know what an expert are, yet I'm sure that's not the case. You just prefere to dismiss it, since it contradicts your opinion.
Btw philosophical debates do not wander into silly opinions on rather clear topics. Discuss the meaning of life or some other point which lacks clear facts for what it is.
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Ignore him. He likes to use the word "scientific" but will often contradict himself twice within as many posts, his definitions are arbitrary and he is mostly just being contrarian for the sake of pushing his looney bin conservative drivel.
Human progress isn't measured by industry. It's measured by the value you place on a life.
Just, be kind.
I honestly don't understand.
If vast majority of Americans are progressive, good nature people. Very willing to help each other. Then socialism would be beautiful. Everybody pulling resources together to help each other.
Above doesn't even have to be true. You just have to tell people that, and people will be more likely to accept socialism.
But NO! so many racists, bigots. Those that show up to vote for Trump primary are so horrible I have no words. What are they thinking. MAGA? Trump supporters are not my people! They are not us, no way! So many of them old folks just watch FOX NEWS all day showing up for that useless primary, they don't even know what is going on!! But hey on a second thought lets share resources together shall we, we are a community? please =)
People are stupid. If they have to pay 100$/pay for insurance that's 'offered' via work they are all for it. If the evil government is 'stealing' 75$/pay for the same insurance it's horrible and evil socialism!!!
They will scream that as they cash in their government checks
I'd rather improve on our current situation. 100 years from now, if we manage to do it that quickly, is still past our lifetimes. I'd like to improve things in my lifetime. Medicare for All sounds promising. At the least, an improvement. How do we transition to it safely and effectively in spite of the lobbyists who profit off the status quo doing everything in their power to stop it?
It's part of the circle of bullshit of an-caps.
Taxation is "bad" because it's involuntary, and force is used on those who resist it (not really, but they say this shit.)
Thus, laws against rape and murder are "bad", because they're also involuntary, and force is used to arrest lawbreakers there, too (really, in this case).
They don't like when you point out that the latter follows necessarily from the premises of the former, because it exposes that their viewpoint is complete garbage that no reasonable human being could ever believe was actually workable in a society.
Make up nonsense premises like "all use of force in any respect is always bad", never defend those premises, complain when people show that those premises are just inherently stupid.
TO FIX WOW:1. smaller server sizes & server-only LFG awarding satchels, so elite players help others. 2. "helper builds" with loom powers - talent trees so elite players cast buffs on low level players XP gain, HP/mana, regen, damage, etc. 3. "helper ilvl" scoring how much you help others. 4. observer games like in SC to watch/chat (like twitch but with MORE DETAILS & inside the wow UI) 5. guild leagues to compete with rival guilds for progression (with observer mode).6. jackpot world mobs.
No robots and AI are no where remotely close to replacing doctors. There's literally no evidence or reason to believe that. The only medical sub-field where AI has made any progress is in radiology where pattern recognition is super human. Pattern recognition isn't intelligence though and it can't replace doctors it can only supplement them.
they still can't get robots to make burgers right enough to replace all those workers. There is very limited success.
They seem to be able to kind of do it right, but over time they fail....the cost of maintence increases, the cost of cleaning and disinfecting...etc
hell taco bell put a touch screen in and half the time I go there its out of order and now its permantly has a cloth over it because of the virus. Great replacement
the smaller you get with the things robots need to do, the longer its going to take.
Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!
Isn't this the same crowd that claims "if you don't like it, move somewhere else"? What stopping them from moving to somewhere with no taxes?
(I have one of the anti-taxers at work. Every time he starts up, I ask him why he's still here, what with all the thievery he has to deal with. Still no answer.)