Shadowlands DOES come with an ilevel

[LeftyDPS]

So I raised a few months ago that with the level squish there would also be an item level and stat squish. At the time a LOT of people resoundly rejected this as it wasn't stated directly by Blizzard.

Thought I would add this here as it has not been mentioned but we ARE getting an ilvl squish and from the looks of it a stat squish as well (sloots live stream ATM shows a Lvl51 in plate with 16,000 health)

https://www.wowhead.com/news=311945/...squish-details

[huth]

So I raised a few months ago that with the level squish there would also be an item level and stat squish. At the time a LOT of people resoundly rejected this as it wasn't stated directly by Blizzard.

We rejected it because Blizzard at the time outright stated there wouldn't be.

[LeftyDPS]

We rejected it because Blizzard at the time outright stated there wouldn't be.

Please find me the quote from blizzard which stated there would NOT be a stat and ilevel squish. I have looked and I'm unable to see them saying this at all

[Selah]

ilvl squish is good an all but we still need an outright numbers squish too. At least in my opinion. I'd love to see this expansion have tank HPs be around 2k.

[Azerate]

That is good to know, but yeah, there's recently been a couple of those "I told you so" situations, this one being one such example from what I understand.

Here's the thing: even if you were right about it in the past, you were right about it based on a hunch, or wishful thinking that turned out to be true. This may happen, however it doesn't change the fact that people who were claiming otherwise hadn't had better grounds for their guesses. So yeah, congrats for guessing correctly despite there being no information about it, but if you previously claimed there was factual basis to those guesses (I don't know if you did, never seen the pots), you were still wrong, and this didn't change just because Blizzard ended up making the change.

I can only speak for myself, but IMO for a rational person what really matters is how grounded our predictions are in reality, not whether they ultimately end up being correct. There is always a chance that something surprising happens, but that's not something you can realistically account for.

Please find me the quote from blizzard which stated there would NOT be a stat and ilevel squish. I have looked and I'm unable to see them saying this at all

I am not so sure there was a quote that there wouldn't be a stat squish and ilevel squish accompanying the level squish, but for sure there was no statement that there would be either.

ilvl squish is good an all but we still need an outright numbers squish too. At least in my opinion. I'd love to see this expansion have tank HPs be around 2k.

A capped tank cannot have 2k hp, because then the differences between classic-tbc-wrath-cata etc. raids would be so miniscule they might as well not exist, and Blizz wants them to keep existing.

[Orwell7]

ilvl squish is good an all but we still need an outright numbers squish too. At least in my opinion. I'd love to see this expansion have tank HPs be around 2k.

Their whole seasonal idea makes this impossible - they want you to be ~30% more powerful than the last tier, which scales exponentially with 4 tiers.

[ReVnX]

ilvl squish is good an all but we still need an outright numbers squish too. At least in my opinion. I'd love to see this expansion have tank HPs be around 2k.

That didn't happen even in Classic

[Beefhammer]

Their whole seasonal idea makes this impossible - they want you to be ~30% more powerful than the last tier, which scales exponentially with 4 tiers.

They really need to go maybe 5-10% max if anything.

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That didn't happen even in Classic

Weren't most non tanks around 3k and tanks around 6k? It been a while.

[TheLucky1]

ilvl squish is good an all but we still need an outright numbers squish too. At least in my opinion. I'd love to see this expansion have tank HPs be around 2k.

That's too low for variance i think, you need to steadily progress from lvl 1-60 in SL with your HP and 2k is pretty low, they couldn't even give you stamina on your gear until level 40 or something x)

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They really need to go maybe 5-10% max if anything.

Bad idea, 10% would feel like nothing in terms of power gain, there is a reason they go with 15~% just for each difficulty for example.

[Schizoide]

Yep, I expected an itemlvl squish as well in that thread. Just makes sense, really.

[Beefhammer]

That's too low for variance i think, you need to steadily progress from lvl 1-60 in SL with your HP and 2k is pretty low, they couldn't even give you stamina on your gear until level 40 or something x)

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Bad idea, 10% would feel like nothing in terms of power gain, there is a reason they go with 15~% just for each difficulty for example.

What were the power gains in Vanilla? They weren't as much as they are now and it felt fine.

[LeftyDPS]

I like big numbers

And you cannot lie?

On a serious point though, I get the not liking the squishes. I get why they happen but they are initially jarring

[Zentail]

Please find me the quote from blizzard which stated there would NOT be a stat and ilevel squish. I have looked and I'm unable to see them saying this at all

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/ne...ve-panel-recap

Deep Dive Panel Recap from Bilzzcon in the Leveling Updates section:

When these changes go into effect, existing characters will have their levels adjusted—but not their power. This means a level 120 character will be adjusted to level 50, but will still be just as powerful as they are now.

It's an incredible warp on words to take this and say something like, "percentage-wise, you are just as powerful" as that's obviously not what was meant when they said this back in November and this is obviously not what players would have taken from it. Everyone I know what fully expecting to have the exact same amount of HP and doing the same amount of DPS, we'd just be level 50 instead.

That said, there's obviously nothing wrong with the squish in my opinion and I'm okay with them scrapping the idea of not squishing our power with the adjustment. Especially with how high our numbers got with 8.3, we'd be looking at far beyond MoP numbers with the steady stat increase scale they've always used since '04.

[huth]

And you cannot lie?

On a serious point though, I get the not liking the squishes. I get why they happen but they are initially jarring

They literally only happen because people have meganumerophobia at this point. They don't have any mechanical purpose since Legion.

[TigTone]

I indeed cannot lie

I just miss hitting for 20,000,000 in Legion - was fun

That was fun very fun mass crits like in Diablo.

[Mehrunes]

I don't like stat squishes, never have. Always feels shit having your damage be 90% smaller one day (yes I understand it's relatively the same but it doesn't feel good to me)

I like big numbers

The way Blizzard typically conveys that relativity point doesn't help either. Because they usually talk about how it will take us the same amount of time to kill a quest mob. And who the hell measures the speed of killing a quest mob in general (they kinda blow up almost instantly anyway), let alone use them as a metric of their character progression (especially in the last few expansions where mobs somewhat scale with your ilvl).

[DechCJC]

I don't like stat squishes, never have. Always feels shit having your damage be 90% smaller one day (yes I understand it's relatively the same but it doesn't feel good to me)

I like big numbers

If we never had any stat squishes we would literally not even be able to see the full number on the screen. Unless they abbreviated the numbers, which is some-what redundant.

[Jastall]

They literally only happen because people have meganumerophobia at this point. They don't have any mechanical purpose since Legion.

I think the WoW team wants to avoid the Diablo 3 problem of literally hitting for hundreds of billions if not more. Yes, in theory the difference is just a 300B marker instead of a 300 or 300K one or something, but for some players it makes said numbers more digestible.

[Kalarm]

Never understood why some hate stat squish. They ain't removing anything from you they are just making your numbers smaller. It just means you're getting +20 agi on your item instead of 1110. It's all it is, a squish... Every expansion is a "power reset" of sort. It doesn't change anything.

[fear]

I think the real issue overall here is they acted like they weren't doing that but they were. The shadowlands alpha that was playable at blizzcon showed no signs ilvl or stat squish and add what they said to that.

It's just more bs they threw on us like the aoe changes.