Dude. That's what you're doing. You have been using all caps on numerous accounts and you've done little other than link to wiki pages and then saying "read the lore" whilst bringing up very little to support your arguments. You have literally nothing supporting you save your own assumption that you are right. You are essentially saying "your evidence is irrelevant, just look at the place where you got the evidence and you'll find out I'm actually right". Your sources are far and few between, everyone else is in contention of your opinion, and you are practically wrong on every account according to numerous excerpts which others have linked. You have even practically admitted to me already "you are right, your opinion is the same as Blizzard's, but you and Blizzard are wrong for being right, trust the "Lore Masters" whom I will not name".
dios mio why are you so affected with players grooming their Void Elves into Alliance High Elves? just let them be
The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!
I make Warcraft 3 Reforged HD custom models and I'm also an HD model reviewer.
I'm just glad they gave void elves normal skin tones rather than giving blood elves blue eyes and giving nothing in return. Now, since hair dyes are a thing, I believe we should campaign for a RGB wheel for hair color.
I was thinking of rogue-themed Paladins whereas they would learn from the Blood Knights who aren't following Liadrin to command the Light to obey their will instead of pleading on them; and the name would be either Enforcers or Bandit Lords
btw, is it okay to ask how much for a slight retexture request? I need someone to change Vereesa's tabard here to the Silver Covenant design
The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!
I make Warcraft 3 Reforged HD custom models and I'm also an HD model reviewer.
I don't think applying themes and features from other universes is a good way to go. Wow lore is inspired by many sources, but in the end, it creates its own image of the setting. Also, as other said, you also misinterpret WoW elf races a bit.
High elves are not in fact pure elves. Night elves are. High elves are descendants of Highborne who abused Arcane magic of Well of Eternity. Their appearance changed greatly thanks to their exposure to the Sunwell once they founded Quel'thalas.
The level of Fel corruption blood elves were exposed was not that dramatic. Green eyes and darker skin tones are result of Fel Radiation from crystals found in Quel'thalas, but majority of population siphoned magic from vermins and critters, and even sentient beings in some cases. Only very few blood elves directly fed upon demonic magic and these elves were either Kael's felblood elves or illidari recruits. The main difference between quel'dorei and sin'dorei has always been political and philosophical.
Void elves did not started their practises of the Void out of thirst for magic. Their thirst has been sated by the Sunwell for years now. Their motivation was exploration of new source of magic, which is largely unknown and is full of potential. Umbrics notes says to do so to defend Quel'thalas from harm, not to harness these powers for selfish ends, so their motives are not entirely selfish. Eventually, Void elves turned out to be more freethinkers and visionaries, moving past established boundaries of their society. Unfortunately, their research was considered dangerous for Sunwell, so they were exiled. In their aestetics, they are more of "Space elf" then "dark elf" from the very beginning. Just look at their heritage armor.
I'd like to mention that none of wow elf races can be really considered Dark Elf as we know this archetype from other universes. For example, Drow are extremely cruel, sadistic, unforgiving and secluded race based on worship of straight out evil goddess, making them antagonists most of time. No playable race in WoW will meet this criteria. Even Forsaken were given some positive features.
I'd personally prefer blood elves getting exclusively brown, tanned and black skin tones. It goes well with their Sun centered society and I can imagine their proximity to Sunwell can result in some luxuriously tanned skin tones? It makes them more exotic and interesting. I'd leave high elves with "vanilla" peach skin tones, because they are just that, vanilla elves, a fundation for other groups to expand upon.
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Aww, adorable. You're trying to use logic with this guy. The more you correct his takes by pointing out the glaringly obvious, the more he will continue to tell you to "read the lore" that you're presently talking about and using as a source.
I've pointed these all out before. He'll find an avenue. He always will.
1) Incorrect. Not all blood elves fed upon Fel. Even during their darkest times, feeding upon Fel was not established largely among sin'dorei. Only most reckless elves who followed Kael and/or Illidan did so and it resulted in their transformation to either Felblood elves or Illidari demon hunters. Blood elves as a group practised mana draining from living beings, which was critised by other elves, who were later exiled by Lor'themar. These elves decided to not adopt blood elf way of life, so they kept the High elf name and chose to live either under Alliance protection, or established various lodges around northern Eastern Kingdoms. But that's it. They remained high elves because they did not want do things they considered unethical, not because they were not mutated by Fel. Most of blood elves were not affected by Fel either, they just had green eye glow. Now, few years later, this sign of fel corruption is being cleansed and blood elves now have blue, purple and gold eyes too.
2) ESO lore is irelevant to WoW lore. Tamriel has greatly different foundation, rules, basically everything. Azeroth is build on entirely different foundation, so you can't really compare the two and pretend they can have same features. They might have similar concepts, but that's it.
3) I don't know about any case in which Void elves feed upon Void. They study it, they harness it, they control it. If you actually spend some time in Telogrus and NPCs dialogues, Void elves initiates are thought to be vary of the Void and question its whispers, on the contrary of embracing it and becoming one with it. They see Void as a tool, or as a weapon. They want to explore Its potential, but rather in a scientific way. They do not worship it. Also, both Alleria and Umbric made it clear they wish Silvermoon to be part of the Alliance eventually, so there is a notion of some homesickness and similar sentiments among them. The thing is, we still don't have much material on Void elf society and their goals to the future. I guess that will be expanded in potential Void vs Light expansion
Yes, I've already read the discussion and it seems my points will fall to deaf ears, but I couldn't help myself either
What I find amusing is that he is constantly accusing others of lack of lore knowledge, yet he alone brings in utterly fabricated, misinterpreted or straight out incorrect information (which are directly compromised by very wowiki articles he keeps linking).
But you know, I'm in the train now, more then 3 hours of journey ahead of me, so I got some time to spend on this discussion
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Add 1) How cute. You cherrypicked and misinterpreted the part of the text which suit you. Now, mind you, go the the first link you posted, go to the section Magical Addiction and read. There is specificaly said most blood elves did not drain demonic magic. See it for yourself. Learn.
Add 3) That alone looks more like artistic description of the even which occured. It also covers the only moment of a transformation of Umbrics group. It does not indicate Void elves are feeding upon the Void from that moment. We've never witnessed anything like that from that point and Void elves got fair amount of screen time with their Void shenanigans in BfA. Even in Telogrus, they just study the Void, channel it, but never consume it. Also listen to their voice lines.
Question everything.
Whispers do not control me.
Unchecked emotion leads to ruin.
My fate is my own.
They express their caution towards the Void, rather then happily embrasing it. As I said previously, ren'dorei have rather a "visionary" feel to them then a traditional Dark elf trope. They explore dangerous magic without prejudice and fear to show others that this power can be contained and used for greater good... Or at least they believe so.
Also, read the lore yourself. The links you post contradicts your claims.
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Add 1) Yes, you did. You tried to prove your point that all blood elves fed upon Fel, you picked a line from the article and constructed an interpretation which was suitable for your claim. Unfortunately for you, the article you posted provided information that undermines your statement.
Add 3) We can happily speculate what are these elves on the picture doing. They may just channel the energies from the rift to keep it stable in order to prevent Telogrus being consumed by uncontrolled Void rift. We do not know for sure. What we know is that no single Void elf past their transformation ever show interest to actually feed on the Void.
Also, the quote you posted is just proving that Void elves got their Essence fused with Void, which nobody contradicts. It only says that Alleria helps them to overcome this. There is no single word about Void elves or Alleria feeding upon Void past their transformation.
I read the lore well enough. You might as well, but still you need others to correct you. I'm sorry, but you are the only one constantly contradicting yourself.
Blood elves and void elves are high elves. Customization is for this
The person is either baiting or an Obelisk Kai wanna be. We reached a consensus in this thread hundreds of pages ago and they just came in to obstinately stir the hornet's nest. I don't see the point in trying to change someone's mind who clearly doesn't care and came into the thread about 3 years too late.
In any case, we're not going to hear much more on customization until the next expansion, with how delayed all of SL has been. Heck we haven't even gotten the rest of the Heritage Armors we were promised. RIP Draenei and Trolls
Oh, my pleasure. Here you are. https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Blood_elf
In that link, please go to the section Magical Addiction
"Even so, the prince's relatively quick acceptance of dire measures (e.g., draining magic from demons) is by no means characteristic of blood elves in general. The blood elves of Outland have by now discovered Kael'thas' agreement with Illidan, and they have for the most part become convinced of its necessity. Most blood elves still live on Azeroth, though. Few of these elves know of Kael'thas' pact with Illidan, and many would be horrified if they discovered it. Draining magic from small mana-bearing vermin is a far cry from draining magic from demons. Yet, as their hunger grows, blood elves—particularly those in Outland—are becoming increasingly inured to the things they must do in order to obtain more magic.[6]"
Bolded the important parts for you. This, my friend, contradicts your statement that all blood elves drained Fel. It is also the same link you used to prove your point. The difference is that you quoted the part that confirmed only that most zealous followers of Kael (those under influence of Kil'jaeden) indulged on Fel and that caused their ultimate corruption.
Sure, Silvermoon probably still bears scars of Fel usage. The whole city was rebuilded by fel magics, so that's what Mathias probably sense in the place. Blood elves are indeed way more tolerant of fel usage then most other races, but that does not mean all of them fed upon it. Lore states otherwise.
While this is part of the little information we have regarding Void elves, it is nothing to support your claim that ren'dorei feed on the Void. It just says that they are researching a process to increase their numbers. Nothing in lore, both written or shown in game suggest that any of the current void elves have physical need or desire to feed upon void energies. We have seen elves being addicted on magic. Blood elves and Nightborne went throught that. We have not seen anything remotely similar in void elves and there is no mention of that either. While your theory is not the least possible, it's just that - a theory, not founded on the evidence we have. Sorry.3) Since there is no lore on the Void elf wiki (https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Void_elf), other than what i mention on my previous post, the image is all that i found about this "symphoning" of Void energy. Like you said, they could be doing anything on that ritual....
"The void elves are not recruiting, necessarily, but they are open to those who share similar interests. Their research has attracted other elves to Telogrus, with both Silvermoon scholars and high elven wayfarers arriving to study the ways of the Void. They are trying to find out if they can reproduce the original process that transformed the void elves.". Source: https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Void_elf.
What that last part says, is that the Void elves we use, are the ones that experience the incident that turned them into Void elves. Others are not able to convert themselves into Void elves. This means that those High Elves wayfarers are not turning into Void Elves and once again prove that Blood elves that turned into Void elves, are the ones we use.
Clearly, you don't. Your refusal lead to the point that no other posters take you seriously. You outright deny words of creators of the game, just because you don't like the direction where they lead the game. Sure, I'd also prefer proper High Elves originaly, but I didn't let denial hurt my enjoyment of the new race added to the game. Void elves were meant to be Alliance thalassian compromise. We can be happy that Blizzard acknowledged this experiment did not ended well and decided to make improvements to better please high elf fans. I still hope there is more coming, both on "traditional high elf" front and also on the "void elf" front.I know the lore well enough. I don't need others to correct me. Sorry, but the only ones constantly contradicting themselves are you guys. Since i started posting the lore, you now start to understand that Void elves are not High elves
I think you have some kind of need to compare void elves to more dark variants of elves from other settings, but what you fail to see is that void elves were not really meant to be the Dark Elf archetype as we know it. They actually lean way more towards space or even astral elves, regarding their racial aesthetics and besides using dark powers (which they use with a measure of caution and for greater good), they have nothing similar with general dark elf archetype.
High elves are never coming as a separate race. There is no need for that now. Both faction have their own version of high elves, with their own perspective flavors. That is the stance of creators of the game.
Last edited by Vaedan; 2021-06-07 at 07:45 PM.
Correct. It's nice to see someone understand this well
Actually the dark skin tones probably make more sense for blood elves, because it is the blood elf side that a lot of changes happen or are the changed ones. I'm also fine with blood elves having a wider range of options than high elves.