https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...Etj?li=BBnb7Kz
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...RM5?li=BBnb7Kz
Or is this just saber rattling?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...Etj?li=BBnb7Kz
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...RM5?li=BBnb7Kz
Or is this just saber rattling?
Russia is not going to so anything mean to the UK. Where else are all the oligarchs going to park their money if they do that?
Pure posturing.
The Russians were conducting a live fire exercise nearby, as they have done before, and even let the Brits know it was happening. The Brits sailed nearby and the Russians then tried to claim the live fire exercise was warning shots. Brits went nope,, didn't happen.
It was all for internal consumption, of Putin trying to look tough.
They entered Ukrainian waters, in a normal shipping lane, conducting internationally recognized innocent passage. The treat of force against a warship operating under innocent passage is absolutely Russia being the major aggressor.
Just remember, the RN doesn't have to deploy a fleet tug with their carrier, unlike Russia....
It's UK saber rattling for internal consumption. Got to prop up their own self-importance. Denials that shots were fired and bombs were dropped on their path by UK MoD despite having BBC reporter on board with clear intent to capture details of this provocation are extremely weird.
Yes, sure, Russia always announces counter-exercises to NATO. Exercises aimed at preventing exact behavior UK is exhibiting.
I disagree that they'll not get actually fired upon though - if they'll keep repeating it they will get the bullet.
It will not escalate to war from that, however.
Fact, the UK sailed through Ukranian waters. The fact that Russia is occupying Crimea, does not change that.
Add that it was Russia that felt they need to announce, that they bravely stood up against the major invading force. Pathetic.
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NATO countries arent firing at Russian airplanes violating NATO airspace repeadetly on purpose.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ce-2021-06-11/
It's as you say, for internal russian consumption. I didn't see any british "WE PISS ON RUSSIAS CRIMEA CLAIM RULE BRITANNIA" news, but a reaction to Russias lies about dropping bombs in the ships path.
Russia will be within it's rights in international law - it can block passage of any ship through it's territorial waters for any reason.
International law doesn't resolve territorial disputes. If you declare some territory your own and strike anyone trying to challenge it then international law is not a solution against it.
If NATO would want to go to war over Crimea they had plenty of opportunities to do so.
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What news are you watching? Because that's exactly what they are doing - in British way, of course.
https://www.dw.com/en/uk-pm-johnson-...ent/a-58031947
Johnson said Britain would defy the Kremlin, insisting that it was "entirely right" to "pursue freedom of navigation in the way that we did."
"I think it was wholly appropriate to use international waters, and, by the way, the important point is that we don’t recognize the Russian annexation of Crimea," he said in televised remarks.
And bombs were dropped. It's UK MoD who lied.
From same article:
"We may appeal to reason and demand to respect international law,'' Ryabkov said, the Russian Interfax news agency reported. "If it doesn't help, we may drop bombs and not just in the path but right on target if colleagues don't get it otherwise."
Russia has said that NATO warships sailing near Crimea are destabilizing to the region. In April, it unilaterally declared a broader area of Crimea closed to foreign naval ships.
Clear and premeditated provocation by UK is all that is.
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Sorry, not actually true. Under Article 17 of UNCLOS, innocent passage is the right to proceed through another country’s territorial waters without interference.
It doesn't resolve them when one party (Russia) ignores the law.
NATO does not want war, it does however want Russia to obey the law.
The bombs were dropped as part of an ongoing exercise well away from the ship.
That is funny, Russia is in Crimea in violation of international law, it harassed a ship in violation of international law, and the most destabilizing thing in the entire region is Russia's occupation of Ukrainian territory.
We already declared area closed to foreign warships back in April.
This right isn't unlimited, you know... and going through area of active exercises, as UK MoD claims, is just asking to be shot at.
No shit they weren't dropped on ship itself - those were warnings, given in tandem with clear instructions to leave Russian waters.The bombs were dropped as part of an ongoing exercise well away from the ship.
If it was exercises then it was exercise at defending Russian maritime borders.
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It was in a normal transit sea lane, so it had every legal right to be there. It did not require Russia's permission. The exercises were not in the direct area.
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Well away, as in not anywhere near close enough to be considered a warning. Russia has not presented any legal argument I have seen justifying any of their actions.
FYI, an Su-24 dropping bombs is not really a threat to an AAW destroyer, so it would not be very good training (unless they are training to die).
Where would you consider "close enough"?
"Threat to security" is the usual argument; it doesn't have to be argued as noone but state itself can decide what kind of security it needs.
As you see from BBC footage British were preparing in case they would actually get shot at (or bombed).FYI, an Su-24 dropping bombs is not really a threat to an AAW destroyer, so it would not be very good training (unless they are training to die).
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No, it's exact same "UK stronk!" made in different words.
How exactly do you see "I think it was wholly appropriate to use international waters, and, by the way, the important point is that we don’t recognize the Russian annexation of Crimea" any differently? :/
Why would that be important if it wasn't for UK provocation?
What could "passage" be but provocative action to support such position?
Just look at their footage:
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Some top comments from BBC video:
- British warships dont often sail in russian waters, but when they do there is a bbc journalist onboard...
- British warship armament: -ammunition -large guns -a bbc journalist -sailors
- This is the military equivalent of filming yourself putting your hand on a hot surface for 5 seconds in order to show everyone how tough you are.
- Luckily the Royal Navy carries a bbc reporter on every ship otherwise no one would know.
- Britain just wanted attention. Imagine having a bbc journalist onboard and everything is recorded. What a stage
- Commander Owen - as you should know - "international shipping lanes" are for cargo and passenger ships. And you are not captain of RMS "Titanic". Warships are not allowed to enter territorial waters without permission of that country.
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Even though UK ship was thousand miles away from her own shores, it still Russia that threatens UK and NATO.
It wasn't just the UK there but a multinational flotilla, the US and Dutch had warships very close by too. Russia are probably just upset the UK will sell warships to Ukraine.
The message from Nato to Russia and China who would also be watching this closely, is we will sail in what we regard international waters and there is nothing you will do, or can do about it.
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Wait wait wait.. So they get in a jiffy over people in Crim's waters, that they claim is theirs - so their waters?
Meanwhile, Russia has been breaching Norwegian, Swedish, Finnish, and Danish airspace the past few weeks with military crafts to the point where the Danish and Swedish airforce had to send jets out on frequent patrols to chase away Russian aircraft.
So, that is a bit of a joke..
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