I think Blizzard should keep giving 4sets relatively easier from the vault but.

[epigramx]

One of the most painful things in old expansions was that it was hard to get 4set because relied exclusively on random chance (some more determinism like the catalyst helps).

The "but" is that I think 5mannning is overvalued right now; it's a small gametype hence it prefers specific specs; I don't think people should get mythic tier from it.

[Soon-TM]

The "but" is that I think 5mannning is overvalued right now; it's a small gametype hence it prefers specific specs; I don't think people should get mythic tier from it.

Yep, mythic gear should only come from mythic raids. This way, you wouldn't only be depriving mythic raiders of an additional source of gear, but you'd also be making M+ much less attractive as a whole. I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

[Unlimited Power]

Yep, mythic gear should only come from mythic raids. This way, you wouldn't only be depriving mythic raiders of an additional source of gear, but you'd also be making M+ much less attractive as a whole. I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

Evidently the OP doesn't like M+, so removing incentives for raiders to do M+ seems like the perfect solution for him.

As for everyone else? Well they can just raid if they want tiers sets, no? Why do none-raiders deserve tier sets anyway even though every class in all content are balanced around their existence.

/s if it wasn't obvious enough.

[Plehnard]

The "but" is that I think 5mannning is overvalued right now; it's a small gametype hence it prefers specific specs; I don't think people should get mythic tier from it.

And I think Mythic Raiding is overvalued right now; it's a small gametype hence it prefers specific specs; I don't think people should get mythic tier from it.

[The Stormbringer]

I'll go to the exact opposite end of the spectrum. I think Mythic gear should be available from solo play!

[aceperson]

i'm in favor of removing the rng lootbox that makes people feel like they have to do content rather than do it for fun.

[Bramickias]

Mythic tier gear should not only become available from world quests after 10-12 weeks, but there should be a pet battle tab in the Vault to reward every type of playstyle with good gear.

[Gurbz]

Mythic tier gear should not only become available from world quests after 10-12 weeks, but there should be a pet battle tab in the Vault to reward every type of playstyle with good gear.

Fuck it. Lets make tier gear ONLY available through pet battles

[Hellobolis]

5mans have been overvalued since m+ as it has always pretty much been the fastest way to gear up.

i think the much more important innovation this patch is the creation catalyst, i really hope they keep that in the future. but if you put such a system in, the step to tier directly from the box isn't that large anymore.

[Celement]

I'll go to the exact opposite end of the spectrum. I think Mythic gear should be available from solo play!

To a degree I agree... I wouldn't mind mage tower awarding mythic gear but I wouldn't want faceroll content to award it just because you ran it a thousand times...

[exochaft]

I've always wondered why Blizz never went the route of relics/conduits/traits/glyphs (or something similar as they're all similar) to implement set bonuses. The big argument from Blizz against tier sets is that it locks in your gear in many gear slots... but they've never thought of separating the tier set bonus from the gear itself? You can still have the themed xmog of the sets either be the gear itself or drop as xmog items, and have the tier set bonus be like the glyphs or assignable traits or just divorced from the literal gear pieces.

Such a system would provide a bunch of flexibility in the tier set bonuses, where you could treat it like the Azerite neckpiece in a sense: you have a choice of multiple '2pc' and '4pc' bonuses (maybe open things back up to '6pc' again), but you can only pick one per level. Every tier you could add a couple more bonuses that you could earn, and you could choose which ones to use based upon your preferences. Furthermore, you could have these tier set bonuses drop from all content, allowing everyone to get set bonuses no matter what content you do.

Only downside would be Blizz would time-gate such a system, make it arduous and painful for no reason, and basically make everyone hate the system. But seriously, I wouldn't doubt Blizz would treat it like conduits at the start of Shadowlands and not learn any lessons. I think Blizz just has a tendency to completely abandon a system in order to reinvent the same bad wheel and make the same mistakes, instead of making a core system work and iterate on it over time.

[epigramx]

Yep, mythic gear should only come from mythic raids. This way, you wouldn't only be depriving mythic raiders of an additional source of gear, but you'd also be making M+ much less attractive as a whole. I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

Why would you "deprive" yourself, if you don't want to play that content? It would make it a real job.

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And I think Mythic Raiding is overvalued right now; it's a small gametype hence it prefers specific specs; I don't think people should get mythic tier from it.

That's objectively false though. 20man has more people so it's objectively bigger and that makes it a more complete gametype in a game of 12 classes and dozens of specs.

An issue with 5man is that its metas can be more specific; 20man has room to have its metas be less extreme; the main advantage of 5man: it's easy to find people.

[Mardux]

To a degree I agree... I wouldn't mind mage tower awarding mythic gear but I wouldn't want faceroll content to award it just because you ran it a thousand times...

You say you wouldn't mind it coming from mage tower, then turn around and contradict yourself...

Why?

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Why would you "deprive" yourself, if you don't want to play that content? It would make it a real job.

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That's objectively false though. 20man has more people so it's objectively bigger and that makes it a more complete gametype in a game of 12 classes and dozens of specs.

An issue with 5man is that its metas can be more specific; 20man has room to have its metas be less extreme; the main advantage of 5man: it's easy to find people.

/whoosh 10

[Soon-TM]

Why would you "deprive" yourself, if you don't want to play that content? It would make it a real job.

You have a quite odd idea of what a game is supposed to be, but you do you... I guess.

[Lodreh]

I'll go to the exact opposite end of the spectrum. I think Mythic gear should be available from solo play!

I am interested in subscribing to your news letter.

[epigramx]

/whoosh 10

Of course it was sarcasm, but it had no basis. You can't replace 5man with 20man and say 20man is smaller; it doesn't work like that; numbers say no.

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You have a quite odd idea of what a game is supposed to be, but you do you... I guess.

If you think it's a good game, to do 5mans that you might hate in order to do 20mans,

then I think you like bad game design.

[Lodreh]

Fuck it. Lets make tier gear ONLY available through pet battles

Maybe not only but a Great Vault tab would be nice.

[epigramx]

Maybe not only but a Great Vault tab would be nice.

No. Why? It has absolutely nothing to do with the PvE gametype of classes.

[Soon-TM]

Of course it was sarcasm, but it had no basis. You can't replace 5man with 20man and say 20man is smaller; it doesn't work like that; numbers say no.

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If you think it's a good game, to do 5mans that you might hate in order to do 20mans,

then I think you like bad game design.

Not any different to being lured into PvE even if you like PvP, because PvP trinkets are rubbish in PvP when compared to a few select PvE ones. Cry moar.

[Lodreh]

No. Why? It has absolutely nothing to do with the PvE gametype of classes.

Why not? You have to travel through PvE to get to these tamers.