https://www.pcgamesn.com/world-of-wa...onflight-story
“Cosmic forces have always been part of the Warcraft universe – there have always been titans in a pantheon, cosmological forces at play, and light versus void.
“For many players, though, what drew them into World of Warcraft and what kept them there is going through Elwynn Forest and dealing with Gnolls that are marauding there. You know, facing Onyxia, dragons, and core high fantasy concepts. That’s, without question, what we are aiming to return to with Dragonflight.” - Ion Hazzikostas
The Devs were talking about a return to High Fantasy concepts, with exploration of Cosmic forces themes left open in the future. It's not something that *I'm* pushing. It's a statement that they have made and that we are now interpreting the meaning of.
You misunderstood my point. What else is there to say?
Then consider this a clean slate.While keep referecning non-cosmic high fantasy stuff only.
Do you consider Murozond off the table because he is cosmic? I don't consider him cosmic at all, and I think he is still on the table.
I'm not the one who complained about Murozond and came up with a bunch of cosmic reasons to not have him in Dragonflight, buddy.You keep making statements just to turn around and whine about me holding you to those statements afterwards.
You replied to me first. If you didn't want to engage in a discussion or get any replies, maybe you shouldn't have addressed my statements about Murozond in the first place. What do you expect really, for me to suddenly accept your interpretations which I fully disagree with?
What do you think your goal is here?
Then that's your problem. You're admitting that you have a limited interpretation of what 'cosmic-related' means, and you can only see one way to define Murozond. What more can I say? I can't change how you wish to perceive the lore, nor do I care to. All I can say is I disagree with your interpretation, while offering my own take. And from there we can choose to agree to disagree and move on.Funny. I didn't think I wrote the lore. Nozdormu turned into Murozond in order to protect against a threat greater then the old gods. There is no way to interpret that other then cosmic-related because of the level of threat being talked about.
Obviously if we're looking at the same thing written in the lore and we have two different views on the same issue, then we're in disagreement. I'm absolutely fine with leaving it at that, because I don't think either of us are beholden to changing our point of view.
As I said earlier, there's literally nothing left to discuss here. I do not think Murozond is a cosmic force. I do not think the Devs are intending to exclude him from potentially appearing as a major villain in this expansion.
I interpret their mission statement as an intent to explain the purpose of 10.0. That's what I interpret. Are they talking about the full entirity of Dragonflight as an expansion and it's end villains? I do not think they are addressing this at all.Right. Yet you said in your very last post that the dev's intent was to not be cosmic and how things don't conflict with that. Which is their intent? To have cosmic things or not be cosmic? You can't argue it both ways with out being a hypocrite.
This is why I said at the very beginning that they could explore Chromatus, Galakrond and Murozond as potential major villains. Because they can. I do not consider any of these villains as Cosmic forces.
So if you have problems with what I've explained as my point of view, then I'm fine with that too. We are allowed to disagree and have different opinions.
However, I simply won't stand to have you twist my words into implying things I *did not* say, such as High Fantasy = not including Cosmic themes. That would be your own misunderstanding and your projected argument that I did not make.