Why in the fuck does Blizzard have the Authority to shut down Discord Servers?
What actual bullshittery is this?
Why in the fuck does Blizzard have the Authority to shut down Discord Servers?
What actual bullshittery is this?
Nice. Now start permanently banning those boosting and the players buying them.
Spreading cheats and services that break other programs ToS is against Discords ToS. Any company or organisation can ask Discord to ban a server that breaks their (and therefor also Discords) ToS.
They don't need 'Authority', they asked Discord and Discord said 'sure'.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
It’s not dystopian for a company to say “we don’t want to be a platform that enables cheating, please leave.”
If I own a piece of land next to a store and someone says “I want to use your land to have a bbq”, I would say sure why not.
That doesn’t mean that if another person comes and says “I want to use your land to protest the store next to you” I need to let them do it or it’s a DYSTOPIAN NIGHTMARE.
If I want to maintain a good relationship with my neighbor and not be known for causing problems in the neighborhood, that’s my business.
People like you think it’s a dystopian nightmare when your parents tell you to do your fucking homework.
"stop puting you idiotic liberal words into my mouth"
-ynnady
Boosting (RM or gold or free) is still not cheating.....It might be against the WoW EULA (edit: prohibited commercial use...not cheating. hacking or cracking by WoW either) , fair enough, but it is not cheating, hacking or cracking by definiton for Discord...Not like I care about them (i mean boosters) but I see a little discrepancy here.
"Prohibited Commercial Uses: Exploit, in its entirety or individual components, the Platform for any purpose not expressly authorized by Blizzard, including, without limitation (i) playing the Game(s) at commercial establishments (subject to Section 1.B.iv.3.); (ii) gathering in-game currency, items, or resources for sale/selling/exchanging outside of the Platform or the Game(s); (iii) performing in-game services including, without limitation, account boosting or power-leveling, in exchange for payment; (iv) communicating or facilitating (by text, live audio communications, or otherwise) any commercial advertisement, solicitation or offer through or within the Platform; or (v) organizing, promoting, facilitating, or participating in any event involving wagering on the outcome, or any other aspect of, Blizzard’s Games, whether or not such conduct constitutes gambling under the laws of any applicable jurisdiction, without authorization."
Last edited by cateran100; 2022-08-06 at 12:41 PM.
Discord does not specifically define the word “cheat” in the TOS so it is reasonable to conclude they use a colloquial definition, not a technical definition referring to things like programs that enable cheating.
The colloquial definition clearly includes “to violate rules dishonestly”. I don’t know where you guys got this idea that the word “cheat” only means running hacks or using exploits.
"stop puting you idiotic liberal words into my mouth"
-ynnady
This whole decision by discord is a great tool is bring the dumb dumbs to the surface so you have no question who they are.
If you still can’t wrap your head around discord banning these players, you may need to seek help
No amount of "fun and engaging" will help you if the goal you need to achieve is blocked by group content which you cannnot access due to several reasons. Like, m+ has so many difficulties that the group of people you can play with at a current difficulty level is constantly bleeding people out who outlevel it by gear. Instead, it fills up with people who are probably more a burden on the group than a real contribution to it.
Back in the "older days" where you only had a couple of difficulties (normal and heroic in Wrath, or the introduction of Mythic in dungeons, and nothing above it), the amount of people who were able to run your Heroic / Mythic grew, because people could not outlevel it anymore. As the result, runs became overall easier - not only because of the increasing gearscore of the players running dungeons, but also because more and more people knew them. And it was a thing which I liked, because it happened to me just as well. I have farmed the heirloom trinkets back in WoD - and I did fine despite not setting foot in any raid above LFR - I did have my Mythic gear of course, and I knew how to play my characters and I knew tactics and stuff. I contributed well to my group, be it as tank, dps or healer. With the introduction of m+, I just cannot compete anymore, because people outgear dungeons faster than I can. So people I can play with get worse and worse, since all good player level out.
That's great for esports, but its a really bad social engineering in an MMO. FFXIV does it much, much better.
simple solution. dont use discord. go to the website directly.....
problem solved.
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Last edited by craigw; 2022-08-06 at 03:31 PM.
Thanks for making my point for me. Youtube and Nintendo are notoriously bad companies in this regard.
PRiVaTe ComPAnIeS CAn dO WHat ThEY LiKE. No, they fucking cant. I mean they can because they have all the money and nobody can challenge them, but they shouldnt have that kind of power.
It doesn't prove anything about your point because those two companies haven't made a dystopian nightmare. All you are doing is blurting out terms then saying "see you proved my point" when someone tells you these things happen all the time with any company. Even non-digital things. It is just the way things work. This isn't even the first time Discord has policed their own company for content.
Even MMO-Champion does the same thing every time they take action against a post for breaking the forum rules. Private companies should have the power to police their own service for what content they want on it. The alternative you suggest where no content can ever be removed usually turns out to be a huge issue or it is arbitrarily applied based on views of the contents topic.
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."
I mean if we cant agree that Youtube banning, demonetizing and shadowbanning channels for arbitrary and sometimes even flatout wrong reaons, catering mostly to big companies who only wanna pump out ads and totally manipulating the search algorithm isnt already some kind of dystopian nightmare, then I guess it must be nice living in a world full of cotton candy clouds and dancing unicorns.
Man I wish I could go there. Reality fucking sucks.
Moving the goal posts a bit aren't you? Private companies should be able to moderate their service. The entire reason why most of these companies started out is because they grew from small things people started to have their own community. If people don't like how Discord manages their service they can start their own competing service, right? It could see success and eventually spawn offshoots when there is a disagreement. It is the nature of things but moderation has been a core part from the very beginning and it isn't dystopian at all.
This very forum would be an absolute mess if it couldn't be moderated. You may see that as your utopia but I bet very few users would want to wade through hundreds of spam posts.
Last edited by rhorle; 2022-08-06 at 04:24 PM.
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."
So Discord decides to delete these servers, but they allow racist, lgbt phobic and antisemantic servers to roam at wild.
Wonder how much blizzard paid them to do this.
I'd say that's semantics. I didn't insulted anyone. my point is if someone want to operate a website that blizzard doesn't like, they will succeed if they're determined, which is allowed by how the internet works. whether they adapt or plan ahead. that's all there is to it, it's just that. whatever semantics you want to argue on, I really don't have time to discuss about that.
I asked his point, which could have been summed up in a short statement. you're once again making things up. and who cares about it, why are you discussing a sentence about the length of his post, literally it doesn't matter, it could have been any length. stop being obsessed about me and do something more interesting maybe.
Right. As I said from the beginning you are describing ways that a website can continue to exist if someone tries to stop them. What you keep calling semantics is not semantics. Any one can go after any website. Will they always be successful? No. Every time you keep trying to defend that false claim you actually prove how false it is. Strange, right?
My point was summed up in a short statement. One you didn't like which then required a more lengthy, yet still brief, response. It is a strange thing for you to pick a fight over while at the same time telling others to stop being obsessed and focus on more interesting things. If it didn't matter why even bring it up?
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."