What is the target limit? We are going to remove the target limit on Swipe.

[Smartie]

I am very pleased with this change although there is still a target limit. Once you get pass X number of mobs they will start to surround you outside of your 180 degrees swipe.!

For example go into deadmines, pull everything, you'll see the mobs will surround you more then 180 degrees of the swipe.

I would assume if we are to tank that many, we need to start turning in a circle

[Rusiak]

I think there is no target limit, only limitations to aoe abilities are that the total damage is capped.

[bbr]

Chain cleave

Or constantly backpedal to keep them in your front.
Which you should already know how to do.

Or keep your back in a corner.

[Kylkes]

There is a target limit though. Once you get pass X number of mobs they will start to surround you outside of your 180 degrees swipe.

This is true if you stand still, but if you keep moving backwards then no you can theoretically keep them all in front of you.

[Smartie]

This is true if you stand still, but if you keep moving backwards then no you can theoretically keep them all in front of you.

I look forward to trying this

[SoulPoetry]

it wouldn't make much realistic sense if swipe hit everything unless our legs can be dislocated at will. i think swipe hitting in a front cone would be more realistic/suitable, as well as thunderclap doing the same because then at least there's still some skill left in manouvering yourself to maximise the effectiveness of the ability rather than just mindlessly pressing it.

then again, i am controlling a bear fighting against a half demon/half elf on a different planet in space.

[tigol]

If you dont know how to keep 10+ mobs in front of you, then I recommend you just go cat form and scratch stuff.

[rimmer]

then again, i am controlling a bear fighting against a half demon/half elf on a different planet in space.

Outland isnt really a planet, its the remnants of a planet, more like an asteroid then a planet.

[jur]

I keep seeing this mentality of "just keep backing up" from all the Druids out there as the solution to the 180 degree arc on Swipe. This is not a practical solution at all. If you actually try doing this, you will notice how Maul and Mangle frequently are out of range because or your back-pedalling. Additionally, it isn't not condusive to AoE to have a moving tank, nor is it even an option with the geography of many pulls.

Every Druid who wishes to tank will need to learn the skill of switching targets and turning to face new ones.

[Brownhoof]

I am very pleased with this change although there is still a target limit. Once you get pass X number of mobs they will start to surround you outside of your 180 degrees swipe.!

For example go into deadmines, pull everything, you'll see the mobs will surround you more then 180 degrees of the swipe.

I would assume if we are to tank that many, we need to start turning in a circle

I keep seeing this mentality of "just keep backing up" from all the Druids out there as the solution to the 180 degree arc on Swipe. This is not a practical solution at all. If you actually try doing this, you will notice how Maul and Mangle frequently are out of range because or your back-pedalling. Additionally, it isn't not condusive to AoE to have a moving tank, nor is it even an option with the geography of many pulls.

Every Druid who wishes to tank will need to learn the skill of switching targets and turning to face new ones.

Well i agree and disagree with you here.in a situation where you would be using swipe E.G 4 or more targets to get the most benefit from swipe you would have to constantly spam swipe for it to work. this would leave no GCD for mangle

but i agree with you on your second point all tanks should learn the skill of switching targets and managing threat.

[lonewuhf]

That's not the issue. We can easily switch targets and spin around, but Blizzard wanted to make all tanks equal (or as close to it as possible) in all situations. DK, Paladin tanks, and now Warriors with no limit to TC can do this. With only being able to hit the targets in a 180 degree area in front of us, we cant tank everything equally. Yes, we can turn, but then we leave ourselves open to being hit from behind, where we cant dodge any attacks. Seeing as Blizzard is using dodge as a major player in Bear mitigation, thats a huge problem.

[Evilution]

I agree with lonewuhf, if you´re tanking as a bear and just spinning around on the spot instead of backpedaling a bit to pick up mobs, you are breaking your healers hearts and at the same time breaking your own back! :-X

I don´t know how big the largest packs in Lich King will be that needs aoe-tanking, but i can´t imagine they are that much bigger than endgame TBC, so keep on moonwalking fellow Bears!

[Ghash]

I really can't imagine a time where you would be AoE tanking without a wall nearby. Even in a Hyjal-type situation you could back up against one of the fences. Back to a wall means every mob is within the 180 degree arc.

[Porphy]

Wow this is really an issue? You get a buff and then it's just not good enough? My god do people really get this pampered now-a-days? "Excuse me sir, but this wad of money you just gave me is all dirty old bills. Mind giving me this gift in newly printed twenties?" /face smack

Look if you have a problem holding aggro with your BRAND NEW AOE skill, learn to adapt to it or roll a damn pally and free up a druid slot for someone who knows how strong a class we are. The rest of us who have been target switching with swipe and mouse-over lacerate macros will more than happy to take your spot so you can have the time to go QQ in the damn corner.

Oh wait you don't know about corners, never-you-mind just go QQ over there by the Ret-pallies. They'll treat you right.

[Smartie]

Firstly I said I was really pleased with the change. I never said anything about it being changed. It was a simple question.

You on the other hand come here QQ'ing without evening reading it correctly.

Good job.. please keep the pointless posts coming.

[Porphy]

It wasn't aimed solely at you but let's go with that....

although there is still a target limit.

Sounds like a QQ to me. Yet there are other people taking this QQ to all new heights, like:

With only being able to hit the targets in a 180 degree area in front of us, we cant tank everything equally. Yes, we can turn, but then we leave ourselves open to being hit from behind, where we cant dodge any attacks. Seeing as Blizzard is using dodge as a major player in Bear mitigation, thats a huge problem.

Learn to back up, sit in a corner, or not pull 50 mobs so that they spread out over your 180 degree range.

I keep seeing this mentality of "just keep backing up" from all the Druids out there as the solution to the 180 degree arc on Swipe. This is not a practical solution at all. If you actually try doing this, you will notice how Maul and Mangle frequently are out of range because or your back-pedalling. Additionally, it isn't not condusive to AoE to have a moving tank, nor is it even an option with the geography of many pulls.

GCD will keep this from being an issue, again you got a buff why the complaint? If you need to mangle/lacerate, just stop for a second. Any bear can tell you it takes awhile for a group to fan out around you. Plenty of time to get a mangle in and back up again. Movement is ALWAYS an option. You can always LOS pull, pull back to cleared areas, or *gasp* circle.

Fact of the matter is, people got a buff and just can't keep their mouths closed long enough to enjoy it. No they just have this "lack of tact-spout at the mouth, damn the man, and down with WoW" mentality that makes them cry about every damn thing in the game.

Take a breath and realize you are fine, the game is fine, and even if they nerf you to oblivion you will pay for the next months subscrition. Because people don't play the game because it sucks, they play because it's fun. So sit down and have fun.

[jur]

@Porphy:

If you had read my post, you should have realized that I was not complaining about Druid mechanics at all; as well as you also missed the whole section about Maul and Mangle during a backpedal.

[Munk]

I thought at first you were joking about this as if it was REALLY a problem...

Being upset your swipe only hits targets in front of you in a 180 degree arc..... is the equivilent of me on my retadin being pissed that I cant hit targets with my auto attack from 40 yards away and not facing them.

Some things are just common sense. LOS pulling large groups with your back to a wall is one of the first skills any tank learns. "You mean I should be facing the aboms in mh?!" One of my most common problems with druid tanks is that they get so much armor they never had to really worry about mobs doing more damage to them than their normal attacks IE crits from behind, or crushing blows which with enough dodge, and armor almost go unnotices.

Seriously If your in a situation where you've lost control of your mobs you've already failed at tanking in my book.

[Squirralfire]

I am very pleased with this change although there is still a target limit. Once you get pass X number of mobs they will start to surround you outside of your 180 degrees swipe.!

For example go into deadmines, pull everything, you'll see the mobs will surround you more then 180 degrees of the swipe.

I would assume if we are to tank that many, we need to start turning in a circle

If you run in a tight circle all the mobs will stay on the inside of the circle at a single point and never try to surround you.

[Morganaugh]

I've honetly never had issues with aoe tanking before as long as people follow raid icons. Things like 4 piece t6 make it a little easier but..

I usually walk backwards and turn alot as-is just to make sure I get everything in swipe range, the only difference with this change is that i wont have to randomly change targets to make sure I hit everything past the limit. Which is cool!