Speculation for Nozdormu

[Ravensbourne]

Hey,

First time posting a speculative thread so i thought i'd be like all the cool kids on MMO and do some thinking about the lore.

First of all, i am a massive fan of the warcraft lore, so i do know quite a bit about it, but i still find all the aspects and titans very fun to read about.

Well, it's pretty well known that Nozdormu is the leader of the Infinate dragonflight. This was pretty much confirmed by the event in Dragonblight.

I would however like to bring up the three current events which the Infinates tried to change:
-Thrall's escape from the humans
-Midvh's defence creating the black morass
-Arthas's purge of Stratholme

These are three key parts in lore. If Thrall didn't escape, the Horde would not be what it is today. If the orcs didnt enter via the portal because of Midvh, the world would be a completely different place - with no orcs? If Arthas didn't purge Stratholme, he would not have ultimately entered his quest into Northrend and ultimately become the LK.

Thats the idea anyway. All these events would change the entire culture and world of azeroth. It would not be what we know and love today anyway.

But my question and my thoughts is, how does this is any way effect Nozdormu? What does he gain by doing this?

It all boils down to the Old Gods in my mind. If Nozdormu was corrupted, that would make the most sense, rather than him doing this for the better. It reminds me of another Malygos, only somewhat indirectly effecting the world rather than declaring open war.

Whilst i think that this is very interesting to see the end result of this story, i doubt that this will be in Cataclysm, unless they release a Malygos style raid, which i hope to god they don't.

I could be wrong, but i would be interested to hear what you all think!

Good or Baddie?
When do you think we will find out his story?

[Classe]

Nozdormu is the leader of the BRONZE dragonflight, not infinite.

[bahumut5]

Nozdormu is the leader of the BRONZE dragonflight, not infinite.

It has been stated that he MIGHT be the Leader of the Infinite. However, the way I see it, this will most likely go as this:

Future Nozdormu (Leader of the Infinite) v/s Present Nozdormu (aka leader of the Bronze Dragonflight).

We will be there to aid him to destroy his future self, because his future self is trying to change the past, which would mean Nozdormu would never turn into the leader of the Infinite. But this has to happen or the Timeline would break down, so we have to make sure Nozdormu turns into a baddy.

^^
Confusing? I think its fun!

[Highlord Hanibuhl]

I am for the whole theory of Nozdormu being the leader of the bronze and infinite dragonflight.

[nort]

Future Nozdormu (Leader of the Infinite) v/s Present Nozdormu (aka leader of the Bronze Dragonflight).

this would be so fucking awesome to see.

[Shorteh]

Future Nozdormu (Leader of the Infinite) v/s Present Nozdormu (aka leader of the Bronze Dragonflight).

I also think it'll boil down into something like that.

But really, his story can go anywhere at this point - Really hope they make it a good one.

Is it actually possible that the leader of the Infinite flight is nozdormu from another time-line?

[Ravensbourne]

It is a very interesting way to look at him defeating his future self, but what does that ultimately mean in the end? Surely that means that the current Nozdormu knows that at some point it will become that future leader of the dragonflight to be beaten by his previous self all over again? And again, and again..

I'm not entirely advanced in time-travel theory, however as it changes the future to go into the past to change things, how much of a change does it make if you destroy your future self? Does that ultimately explain his power to have been able to see his own death?

:-\

[Sorraxe]

Nozdormu is the leader of the BRONZE dragonflight, not infinite.

With the addition of the World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King expansion, a new quest called Mystery of the Infinite is available in the Dragonblight. On this mission, Chromie sends the player to the Bronze Dragonshrine to divine the identity of the true leader of the Infinite Dragonflight. At the end of the quest, the player sees the long-missing Nozdormu, leader of the Bronze Dragonflight. Chromie states that this makes no sense, then brushes it off and says that she is glad that Nozdormu is alive and well. She adds that he had left without telling the rest of the flight "where or when" he was going.



Please, read more, its cool story

[Barado Black]

Well Bronze are corrupted into Infinite so the porbability is there and would be epic. But does any1 else see that all of those things would be good for the humans? Save Arthas from becoming Lich King if he had to retreat from Stratholme without us there or possibly die but in this happening save many lives like Uther and Atonidas. No Thrall=No Horde. No Orcs through portal=No War.

[Saronstrike]

I think Noz is definitely the leader of the Infinites, there's absolutely no doubt in my mind about it. The thing is, I don't think Nozdormu is a 'baddy', because everything the Infinites have tried to do was to ultimately make the world a better place (granted their methods of doing it were quite questionable). They tried to stop Thrall from escaping Durnholde because it would mean the formation of the Horde, and brutal war on the horizon. They again tried to stop Medivh from opening the Dark Portal, which would bring the orcs and ultimately the Burning Legion to Azeroth. Recently they've attempted to kill Arthas who was destined to become the Lich King anyway.

So suffice to say, the Infinites were trying to make the World of Warcraft as dull as possible by stopping the production of TBC and WotLK. I have no doubt in my mind the Infinites will return in Cataclysm to find some way to stop Deathwing from creating the Demon Soul or to stop the other dragons from infusing their powers in it or something.

The Bronze dragons are by no means evil either, they're just doing their job which is to keep the timeline running as smoothly as possible without straying off to a devastating end. Both sides are like Horde and Alliance in my personal opinion, they're trying to make the world better in the ways they see fit, and ultimately have different thoughts on how to do so.

There's a possibility that 'present' Noz is fighting 'future' Noz in some time vortex, or 'past' Noz fighting 'present' Noz, etc etc. I don't think so personally, I like to think that Noz is just fighting within himself (no not past vs present vs future or anything).

See, when Noz was granted his powers by the Titan patron of time (I forget his name atm), to keep Noz in check, the titan gave him a haunting vision of his death. Perhaps Old Gods have driven him mad, or perhaps Noz is taking steps to prevent his death which would come at the hands of mortals. If the Horde was never formed, he'd never have to worry about Horde entering his sanctum and doing him in, and that would leave the Alliance, who would be too caught up in their own civil problems to give two damns about any of the dragons.

That's just my opinion. Sorry for the Wall.

[bahumut5]

It is a very interesting way to look at him defeating his future self, but what does that ultimately mean in the end? Surely that means that the current Nozdormu knows that at some point it will become that future leader of the dragonflight to be beaten by his previous self all over again? And again, and again..

I'm not entirely advanced in time-travel theory, however as it changes the future to go into the past to change things, how much of a change does it make if you destroy your future self? Does that ultimately explain his power to have been able to see his own death?

:-\

Confirmed information states that Nozdormu knows how he will die. He also said that he was prepared to die that way. This could mean that he knows that he has to kill his future self, in order to preserver the past. However, it would also explain why he didn't act against them before. Because there are some events in the Timeline that just HAVE to happen. For example: It is possible that all this was just a training for mortals, so that they knew who the enemy would be. For example: We now know we are fighting enemies that try to alter time. This would mean that they do not have the possibilities them self to go back in time. They need some sort of support. I am just making this conclusion, due to the fact that non of the enemies we encountered so far went back in time when we were close to killing them. If they could go back in time whenever they felt like it, they would win with an odd of 100%.
As you know, us mortals need the help of the Bronze to travel through time. And even they need the help of the stronger dragons to create time rifts.

So I expect a story line were Nozdormu has been preparing us to fight him. We will go to destroy his Infinite form, and in Phase 3 or whatever, he will show up as his former self, and help us in killing himself.

It would make a lot of sense, because Nozdormu would do anything in order to make sure that the Time Line would continue. This includes killing his future self

[Ravensbourne]

Do you have any theories as to why the future Nozdormu changes from a devoted protector of the timeline to actively seeking to change it?

[Highlord Hanibuhl]

Go do the quests of Chromie in Dragonblight

[Deleted]

It has been stated that he MIGHT be the Leader of the Infinite. However, the way I see it, this will most likely go as this:

Future Nozdormu (Leader of the Infinite) v/s Present Nozdormu (aka leader of the Bronze Dragonflight).

We will be there to aid him to destroy his future self, because his future self is trying to change the past, which would mean Nozdormu would never turn into the leader of the Infinite. But this has to happen or the Timeline would break down, so we have to make sure Nozdormu turns into a baddy.

^^
Confusing? I think its fun!

i like the idea. you should post it on official forums.

[Lolgreks]

Well Bronze are corrupted into Infinite so the porbability is there and would be epic. But does any1 else see that all of those things would be good for the humans? Save Arthas from becoming Lich King if he had to retreat from Stratholme without us there or possibly die but in this happening save many lives like Uther and Atonidas. No Thrall=No Horde. No Orcs through portal=No War.

Thrall=No Horde. No Orcs through portal=No War. No Orcs=Burning Legion over for a tea party in azeroth in the 3de war.

[bahumut5]

Do you have any theories as to why the future Nozdormu changes from a devoted protector of the timeline to actively seeking to change it?

Well, Nozdormu is "Beyond" time. He lives now, he lives in the future, he lives in the past.
This could mean that he also saw the end of The Old Gods. He might have seen their "reborn" or whatever. It is highly possible that he also heard their whispers when he was monitoring their movements.

So if you ask me, he will get corrupted as well. Just to remind you: The Old Gods like to whisper stuff like "Kill them all!" or something like that. So it is possible that Nozdormu lost his sanity because of this at some point in time (Note: It is possible that his future self got insane whilst being in the past).

[Ultrin]

I can see them doing something utterly confusing and creating a phased version of the Caverns of Time where you do all the instances again but this time in support of the infinite dragon flight and end up trying to stop past versions of yourself. Then you unlock a raid that will be similiar to Dreamwalker battle where future Noz is converting past Noz and you have to keep him healed while defending him from waves of bronze dragon flight.

That or they'll take the easy way out and say "erm... Cataclsym did it...". ;D

[Zuben]

It has been stated that he MIGHT be the Leader of the Infinite. However, the way I see it, this will most likely go as this:

Future Nozdormu (Leader of the Infinite) v/s Present Nozdormu (aka leader of the Bronze Dragonflight).

We will be there to aid him to destroy his future self, because his future self is trying to change the past, which would mean Nozdormu would never turn into the leader of the Infinite. But this has to happen or the Timeline would break down, so we have to make sure Nozdormu turns into a baddy.

^^
Confusing? I think its fun!

I support this.

[quintro]

It has been stated that he MIGHT be the Leader of the Infinite. However, the way I see it, this will most likely go as this:

Future Nozdormu (Leader of the Infinite) v/s Present Nozdormu (aka leader of the Bronze Dragonflight).

We will be there to aid him to destroy his future self, because his future self is trying to change the past, which would mean Nozdormu would never turn into the leader of the Infinite. But this has to happen or the Timeline would break down, so we have to make sure Nozdormu turns into a baddy.

^^
Confusing? I think its fun!

lets think about it, if they fight, no matter who wins, future noz dies. :S

on a side note, perhaps this is part of something bigger? i mean, of the 5 aspects. malygos is dead, deathwing is most likely goin to die, then we have have this noz vs noz fight as well as the emerald nightmare. all of a sudden there is 1 aspect left and the world is almost undefended? (lol dont know where im goin with this :P)

[Barado Black]

Thrall=No Horde. No Orcs through portal=No War. No Orcs=Burning Legion over for a tea party in azeroth in the 3de war.

Yeah but with no Horde/Portal the whole threat with Burning Legion could have developed very differently. Expecially seeing as there is no Second War/Nerzhul failing. No first war either.

This means history could change alot meaning the BL might not even invade and if they did the humans would be stronger from lack of the heavy toll Second War, that's just how I see it.