Or the polearm.
I don't give a shit about stats our heroic weapon choices are... TWO and one is from the final boss.
Casters between spirit and non spirit weapons get amost TEN options
Hunters get THREE to themselves
Rogues get TWO daggers and Three agi 1hs
Str dps dwers get THREE 1h Swords
The desparity is fucking retarded why does 2Handed always get shafted?
Really wish you would spend less time insulting me and more time making the tool better. Is there a specific ability that you think is bugged? If you just don't like the default rotation I'm more than happy to see if a default rotation you propose performs better. And no, you haven't ever pointed out specific problems with the ret SimC module. You've just disagreed with the results because you don't like them.
I also like how your opinion is the "general concensus."
here we go again...
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Well, Anaxie and Requital were right in my opinion. The do have much ego but the target here is a correct tool information and not behaviour. There is no point for Balhale asking for feedback when he ignores it.
I think it started around page 3. Don't get me wrong mate, I do respect anyone who is using his knowledge and time for greater good, but you have to realise that some world class players take every detail seriously because they translate sim numbers to real time playstyle and can sometimes exaggerate on their point especially when experience and history proves them correct. In any case I am not judging behaviours.
On a sidenote, you personally dissapoint me by stating in EJ forums that you are fine with burst over sustain dps, since there is a tradition for blizzard to deem highly said forums, but this is another story.
so that's nice, blizzard steers their design philosophy on opinion of one forum thats f..... great .. now i know why is ret in such great state without cds lmao.. can you please passthrough a mace to me so i can punch myself in face for being an idiot and sticking to this class
I've been using wowreforge.com the trick with it is you can click on an item and modify the stats of the item. By modifying the items you can basically create the profile of the gear you want do the reforging and see where you can get. The part that matters the most is adding hit make sure you are adding a gem it doesn't matter about the set bonus unless the bonus is Hit or Expertise. If it is Hit or Exp you just make sure not to match that color so the values aren't thrown off.
anyone been on PTR with the latest build? I can't for the life of me get above 100k dps in a 25man raid with flasks and trying to manage T14 bonuses and the fight mechanics...
Ofc 300 ms doesn't help and playing from EU on US based PTR realms... anyhow!
How are you other rets finding PTR with the latest build without T11 prot pre-pull thing?
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The only complaint with burst neld is that if something happens mid cds like... huddle , cackles, exhales, hide tons of mechanics can just shut us down burst wise.
And you can usually wait to do it in a timeframe where it won't be negated by those but doing so unsyncs it with at the very least Lei shiens and enough pushbacks on a long fight can cost you an entire cd.
Or you get instances like Blade lord where the only way to get a full SW in is to pop it after a strike. Most of the time you're gonna be running out of temprest throwing hammers at him capping your HP. It's not entirely useless talent wise considering a rank 13th I put up recently even while fumbling with talents during my first cooldown because of super ninja pull. While I usually laugh at rank 13ths compared to 1s the whole Asian Ilvl thing has shit pretty badly skewed so... yeah.
Anyhow back ontopic on stuff like blade lord doing more dps would be easy without a ton front loaded into burst. I'm sure we will see a few later on. IN the end I don't really care about burst or sustained I care about the big picture just like you. I'm kinda fond of Hammerdin time too .
TLDR I agree with you burst / sustained doesn't matter a ton but we still need to have consistent single target / aoe compared to the best spec of each class.
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It's not gonna be a big deal to lose it. Never used it anyway. =/
I do wonder how widely used this was tho.. like if it skewed blizzards numbers for us in 5.1 maybe we should get some albit minor compensation.
Hell i sit half the raid fights because I'm just so exhausted with raiding after so many tiers. Glad i did tho, new tier so soon and I'll never get a break in this because of TF.
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It's not that it's just scary when the simcraft dev ret does questionable things... like using 5/5 T14 ret and 2/2ing the shoulders... or 2/2ing a darkmist Normal instead of just using relic, and you are still reletively green to the spec with very little high end raiding experience as Retribution.
It's little things that makes me take anything you have to say with a tuckload of salt. I'd get into the early beta development for simc that myself and requ had to help you with while disregarded every valid opinion on what was wrong. But that was discussed and is still avail to read. If you want to discuss things thats cool but show me hard numbers to back up opinions. And by numbers I mean logs.
Players like Nelda I hold in extreme high regard and pay attention their input. But that is because they have proven themselves to be one of the best players in the spec in the world. It sucks that the Simcraft dev shoes your filling was Pbad's and he fit that imagine exactly. Hell he bumped me off several times and showed us all just how powerful the Creche was when we were initially ignoring it for just one example.
Last edited by anaxie; 2013-02-23 at 04:22 AM.
Just want to point out there is a Thunderforged Polearm in the list on the front page atm. Take it for what its worth.
Trash drop thunderforges. That is to be expected. Until we see a boss drop on journal and a heroic TF version don't get ur hopes up.
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Apparently the DK howling blast buff was... Base damage? well I guess maybe they might not be getting buffed as hard as we thought...
Might of frozen wastes was compensation for a broken OP 2 set... how op? Think 4pce ret prenerf broken.
Perhaps we are balanced now for tier? Time will tell.. Itemization has a pretty high chance to break us tho.. haste shouldn't drop below 25% tho the extra sockets make that a guaranteed thing.
Last edited by anaxie; 2013-02-23 at 04:50 AM.
Issues with ret in pve = 1). lowish overall output, 2). and very inferior AoE.
Burst can be considered as "utility" and in >most< cases it actually outweighs high sustained when it comes to PvE. Like playing around encounter mechanics / knowing when to actually put that burst to use etc etc. Many fights in the past had those moments where all you want to do is "throw kitchen sinks" at shit to make the cut (ragH p3, magmaw weaken etcetc).
I actually agree with people who prefer ret as a high burst model spec. Unless well ya wanna really homogenize everything WoW ever had...
Last edited by Neldarie; 2013-02-23 at 04:57 AM.
We will have to see the T15 set in full swing with 2 min SW wings active and of course the Capacitate gem. Hopefully ret still has broken proc mechanics from jar of abomb era. Unless we got completely gutted with Gurth, hopfully the sword was what was changed.. not us.
AoE tuning phase should be soon. If howling blast doesn't get gutted I'll consider it a total failure.
They cant buff DS too much either because if they do were gonna be in a situation where without TV proc up we storm. I think a 150% DS would make that a reality no? Then again it would be aoe and single target buff XD I'd take it.
Honestly the easiest solution would be simply DS spreads censure. Repeated DS bursts would of course then ramp up our aoe as censure begins to stack. The would be a hell of alot better then tabbing between targets to spread censure on every single enemy to keep up in multitarget.
Last edited by anaxie; 2013-02-23 at 05:00 AM.
Remove DP, get on use 10-15sec duration 40-60sec CD ability that makes your DS hit for a little less, cost 0 holy power and apply censure to targets it hits. And there ya have a proper AoE cd.
Just buff Censure damage by like 5-7k damage per second and make it a unique debuff so you can only have it on one target at a time... doesn't have to be complicated.
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