But for better or worse, that has a reason. The forsaken can't stand by their own, they just can't; regardless of their true desires, be those as they may, inscrutable to the rest. Beacuse the moment, the moment they leave the horde and start following an agenda that could be considered a threat for the other races, alliance and horde alike, war against them WILL erupt, everybody that wants them gone will jump in the bandwagon and they will just be crushed by numbers.
So they just can't leave the horde as much as they could want. It would be suicide.
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What do you want for us? not to tell you that the "article" is nothing but self righteous, bias ridden, propagandistic hogwash disguised as an essay? Don't get me wrong, it works as such, this is what you'd see on the streets of Stormwind and other alliance cities, but you can't possible believe that we just eat this up as anything but.
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It's a blog really, a page from an internet diary more or less. And while it can be compared to an article, it's no where near as solid as the OP wants it to be. Not to mention that it's written through the eyes of a person who is pseudo-rp'ing as both a tauren and a Brujah vampire.
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Amazing sig, done by mighty Lokann
That's why I keep saying! get your rotten hands on that Mogu/Titan technology that seems to just be lying around in Pandaria, people!. Cure the plight of your people and seek a modicum of redemption, or build deterrents to do whateva, whateva you want, but do something!
Though either path is warranted of hesitation, I do hope they just don't stagnate and just be there.
The thing is, we know that the process of reanimation affects their psyche. Those who maintain a connection to the Light are excedingly rare.
And again, you have to question whether the morality of the living can really be applied to them. For one, their comprehension of reality is different from the living. For them, the nature of life and death is completely different from a living being. They do not view death as an end, and life is generally an alien experience to them.
The Forsaken have not been particularily conquest-minded. They maintained peaceful borders with the blood elves, and drew them into the Horde eventually. They maintain loyalty to the Horde about as well as any other race. They skirmish and war with the Alliance, but so do all the Horde races, and unlike the orcs the Forsaken haven't tried to conquer the world; they've done little more than maintain their borders against Alliance incursions, with the exception of Gilneas.
And if they are bent on conquest, ultimately, what will that look like? Well, probably not genocide. Conversion, most likely. A world united in undeath, I think that's the dream.
Is that moral? Probably not, at least by our standards. But the Forsaken are incapable of applying the same sort of morals that we do.
And what's the alternative, if their very nature is immoral? To give up and die because the living tell them to? That's against the nature of any living creature. So they fight, and survive, and try to establish their own place in the world.
I really don't take issue with the essay itself because it's a piece of opinion and as such is totes valid -as well as subjective to derision and dissension-; but I'm entirely baffled of how someone can pretend to use it as argumentative "evidence"; more so to an issue that is all about subjective morality and thusly unresolvable at ant rate. I mean, totally pointless, as the countless threads that pave this road.
It really is a shame that we haven't had any story beats about the Forsaken researching flesh shaping and soul binding yet. The dwarves and gnomes should be pretty intrigued, too, and the night elves should probably have an overt interest in understanding the sacred waters of the Vale.
I don't know how much longer we've got before the narrative completely leaves Pandaria, so I do hope they take advantage of some of these opportunities to push some of the racial storylines forward, or at least build them up a bit.
the "Sylvanis fans" why she is so popular is that she is the only dark/anti-hero/psudo-villianess that gets to be a leader and not a raid boss, well unless your alliance anyway. as for the forsaken themselves to say they aren't fucked up on a emotional/psychological level from the get go is disingenuous. they had to suffer, die, rise up and kill everything they loved or cared for. then only to be released and come to the realization of what they did and what they had become. now, to say that didn't drive some to try and do what is right by others as means of penance is not out of the question. but a lot more either went mad, or simply owned up to it and do what they in their minds is right. i can't really speak on what goes on in the mind of a forsaken other then being undead seems to make them (for the most part) lose empathy/sympathy and not care for their actions seeing as they don't really give a shit about the ultimate consequences, they have seen the face of hell and it has like i said, it fucked them up.
at this point you really can't judge them based on OUR set morality. not to say that what they do isn't fucked up, it is. the argument (not really an argument but ranting) i keep hearing from alliance fan boys is always: its our land! they should all fuck off or die and let us have it back. well who was their first jackass? THEM, they lived their thats their homes and cities they grew up in before they got turned. by all rights and accounts they belong there and get to stay there. the forsaken of Lorderon where the citizens of Lorderon BEFORE the scourge. so every, oh its the alliance' land bullshit pisses me off.
i would however like to see a change in pace with them seeing IF they are to join the army of light they need to drop Silvanis in leu of a leader who is.....slightly more inclined to be altruistically good....Lillian Voss? i sure a shit hope so, she's awesome.
Well, at least there's the opportunity for these advancements to be "shelved" for later revisiting. An expansion has time constraints to develop all races, so pushing the desire of forsaken, dwarves, gnomes and other races to study/control mogu technology and magic to the next expansion might not be the worst idea as long as it is part of an expansion long focus placed on said narrative; it would be more neat than just throwing things on without a frame. Also, it would make Pandaria relevant on a successive expansion.
The thing is that there has been no confirmation of it being the case. Being Undead does not automatically mean they will go to this "void" when they die. If people can't factually say that's what happens then it's people just making stuff up.
We're also aware that the Light has not abandoned them. But that they have been corrupted in a manner that makes them physically vulnerable to it. This combined with the fact many abandoned it as a deity as they felt it had abandoned them as a people when Arthas showed up is why many shun it, not because it shuns them.
I'm surprised we haven't seen her sooner. Although I admit I found her actions in MoP somewhat odd. She goes after Gandling and the Cult because she hates necromancers and their actions. Yet we haven't seen her go after Sylvanas at all yet. The person who had her risen from the dead should be her #1 priority, but it isn't.
well.. who knows first she took it out on those that she loved but betrayed her and let her become an undead. then she goes against the classic enemy the scourge. so who knows she might very well be on Voss' list, lets hope she finds Silvanis' sex dungeon and frees Kolrita.