100 US Marines vs 5000 Alliance soldiers

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100 modern day fully-equipped US Marines (without heavy armor, air support, nukes, etc.)

vs.

5000 fully-equipped Alliance Military (not players). So mostly regular infantry, marksmen, cavalry, mages and healers. Occasional other classes.
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The battle would take place in mountains. Marines have the first move.


GAME MECHANICS DO NOT APPLY.
Bullets kill just like in real life. Healers can heal non-fatal gun wounds, but they can't just stand in place and spam holy light, making anyone who doesn't instantly die invulnerable. Reviving people takes some time. Rogues can't magically go invisible in the middle of desert. There are no levels or damage points. 40yd range limit is gone.
etc.

Magic users are not omnipotent demigods. They can't just make themselves invulnerable or kill all the marines with a single spell. They're just regular Alliance footmages.

Who wins?

[nyc81991]

Did you really just delete your own post just to make another one so it doesn't look like you changed it? Come on man...

[Deleted]

I asked a moderator to delete the old thread because I messed up with all the changes and it derailed. Now if you don't have anything to contribute, please don't make this one share the same fate.

[Vulpei]

I propose a new condition: physics do not apply to make it even for the Alliance who don't get their actual abilities.

This means no gravity, no gunpowder exploding, the nervous an circulatory systems in the marines don't work. It makes just as much sense.

[Agent Mercury]

Did you really just delete your own post just to make another one so it doesn't look like you change it? Come on man...

Agreed. This won't go any smoother.

Also what do you mean first move? Is this turn based? Like Risk?

Need more specifics too. If game mechanics don't work does that mean the range on our spells and guns are increased to a real amount? Does that negate any shielding spell? How does this affect distance covers like blink. Since we are using only our frontline fodder what all do we have access to? What type of casters? What is in their arsenal?

[Larynx]

I herd u liek massacres.

[Myzou]

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Warlock uses Rain of Fire.

Pretty damn sure modern day marines, in any sense of the words, would burn to death.

Yes, you can shoot the warlock if you can target them, but when you're burning and there's a consistent amount of meteors falling on you, I doubt you will hit.

[Sorrior]

If you ever played the old warcraft games you'd know that they would whoop those marines asses. Hell even the whole US army might have a hard time against the whole alliance army.

[vizzle]

We just had this discussion. A bigger number won't change the people who believe what they believe.

[Agent Mercury]

I just wish the OP would be more specific when doing something such as this. He leaves too much for interpretation which changes opinions.

[Sorrior]

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Warlock uses Rain of Fire.

Pretty damn sure modern day marines, in any sense of the words, would burn to death.

Yes, you can shoot the warlock if you can target them, but when you're burning and there's a consistent amount of meteors falling on you, I doubt you will hit.

Warlocks are normally Horde. See WC1-3.

[Deleted]

If they have access to resurrection from healers there's nothing stopping the Alliance soldiers from swarming any Marine and killing him, you'd run out of bullets before you killed them all.

Your whole premise is... kind of ridiculous. What does "regular lore-like mages" mean? Lore-wise a mage is quite capable of fireballing any soldier to death in a single spell, they're capable of invisibility and flight and all kinds of shit. It wouldn't even be a contest. And how do we know what these fictional characters can and can't do? For any scenario I come up with there's a hundred question marks.

Just another example, PW:S stops bullets? Or doesn't it? In the game its quite capable of stopping multiple hits from hunter shotguns.

[Klasis]

5000 Alliance. Just imagine 2k arrows raining down along with magical spells, and the lucky number of alliance players that make it to whack people with blades and hammers.

[nyc81991]

We just had this discussion. A bigger number won't change the people who believe what they believe.

Yeah, The reason the thread got derailed was because people have different opinions and the Op changed the meaning of the post 15 times. The best thing to do would have been to just have it deleted and end it. Making another one with more changes will not stop that.

[Klasis]

Warlocks are normally Horde. See WC1-3.

U.S marines are normally not in azeroth...

[Ummagummas]

Alliance would win. If they can use magic, then Marines have no defense against that. Trust me, I know. I'm currently an active duty Marine.

[Charge me Doctor]

Polymorph all marines!

And warlocks are shadow mages, so this is nothing special for them to be on aliance side (they just was banned by forces of dalaran, and shadow magic was banned also)

[vizzle]

Alliance would win. If they can use magic, then Marines have no defense against that. Trust me, I know. I'm currently an active duty Marine.

I'm currently a mage of the Kirin Tor, and I disagree.

[Agent Mercury]

Also from what it looks like on the OP we aren't using the Alliance Army but the Human Army from WC3 before the establishment of the Alliance.

[Ummagummas]

I'm currently a mage of the Kirin Tor, and I disagree.

Ohh you silly.