Comments on flameglow make me laugh :D

[Deztru]

"Flameglow shines in the case where you're taking frequent little hits of damage." From Celestalon

So basically it shines in a couple LFR fights if you are heroic geared.

[Imnick]

have you read the posts about WoD's healing philosophy

Flameglow is a bad talent because it's boring and feels less satisfying than hitting a button to save your life from a single big hit, it's perfectly likely that it will provide competitive numbers
People like feeling like they just actively prevented their own death, but doing that by just giving the healers a passively invisible helping hand isn't really a compelling choice

[Kuni Zyrekai]

Still pretty great on H Thok...

[Deleted]

Its like the old retribution aura. :>

[Pickwickman]

Still pretty great on H Thok...

Also Will of the Emperor hc. If you still need to do that.

[squall14716]

Flameglow is a bad talent because it's boring and feels less satisfying than hitting a button to save your life from a single big hit, it's perfectly likely that it will provide competitive numbers

As a Warlock who has given up my defensive cooldowns in favor of passive damage reduction in most cases, Flameglow is a bad talent because it is far inferior to the other choices on that talent tier.

[Akelina]

Last time i used it on Council of Elders. It greatly reduced damage from Kazra'jin's reflect.
But generally it's a crap talent. It should reduce damage by % not a fixed amount.

[Deztru]

Still pretty great on H Thok...

The damage it absorbs shouldn't pose a problem, however when choosing Flameglow you lose the on-demand reduction that I personally prefer.

[huth]

Last time i used it on Council of Elders. It greatly reduced damage from Kazra'jin's reflect.
But generally it's a crap talent. It should reduce damage by % not a fixed amount.

It does. The main problem is that in the current healing paradigm, damage is way to high because they have no other way of challenging healers.

[Raugnaut]

For its niche, it is superior to all other choices.

The main thing is that its niche isn't seen too often these days.

If this talent was around during WotLK, ppl would complain that it was too good, and that ice barrier/temporal shield were worthless compared to it.

[Drutt]

The problem with Flameglow is that it is best when used in an encounter that has frequent ticks of small to moderate damage.

There are hardly any of those mechanics around and, for the occasional situation where it has merit, the current healing model allows for spammed AOE heals that will hit the mage regardless. The fact the mage's HP is higher than the rest of the groupdoesn't change the healer's choices on how to heal the damage in the slightest.

[Polarthief]

It does. The main problem is that in the current healing paradigm, damage is way to high because they have no other way of challenging healers.

Making mana actually mean something would be a good start. They've tried and failed twice now.

[Deleted]

Do someone use it on Malkorok? We currently progress there and i thought about it. TS is not the best and IB is nice for failing but overall i think FG could be good here.

[Deleted]

Do someone use it on Malkorok? We currently progress there and i thought about it. TS is not the best and IB is nice for failing but overall i think FG could be good here.

I don't use it on Malkorok, but it's probably one of the better fights to use it on if you use it on any. Malkorok and Thok are really the only fights where it's viable. I still prefer TS for the damage reduction while soaking though.

[roflwaffle]

i honestly like how flameglow works, but like it's been said, they're arent any fast consistent low damage fights in this teir

[Deleted]

Okay so let'sdo the math. Assuming 35k Spellpower (which with current values is not that insane) then the protection value would be a maximum of 35k * 15/100 = 5,25k = 5.250 Damage. For maximum benefti (a.k.a Shines) the attacks you take must not exceed 100 * 5.250 / 30 = 17,5k = 17.500.
Assuming the same 35k Spellpower, Ice Barrier negates (as you do not even take the damage to your healthpool) 4580 + 35.000 * 3.3 = 120.080 which is roughlt 120k.
So for Flameglow to be more usefull than Ice Barrier it needs within the cooldown of Ice Barrier (-the DPSloss by GCD usage) to be activated enough times that the absorption is the same.
As such you need to take X * 5.250 = 120.080. X = 22,87. So within 25 seconds you need to take more than 22,87 hits of max absorption for the pure damage reduction value of the spell to exceed that of Ice Barrier. Also keep in mind that this is purely the absorption value. If you were to translate it to the actual damage that you should take within those 22.87 hits of max value you would need to receive 22,87 * 17.500 = roughly 400k damage completelyspread over 25 seconds.
I am not going to tell you when this is usefull. What is apparent though is that currently we take far more than 400k damage per 25 seconds. In addition to that the damage is not spread out but bursty making the value of Ice Barrier higher. But even then, the true power of Ice Barrier, even if you take many small hits, is that your healthpool doesn't decrease.

[mrgreenthump]

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Or more simply, you need to get hit for more than 0.9 times a second for 25 seconds with damage being more than total absorb of IB. Now ofc this is only comparing the total absorb and ignoring that FG is passive, but it does sort of give you a picture how situational FG really is.

[Deleted]

The problem with Flameglow is that it is best when used in an encounter that has frequent ticks of small to moderate damage.

There are hardly any of those mechanics around and, for the occasional situation where it has merit, the current healing model allows for spammed AOE heals that will hit the mage regardless. The fact the mage's HP is higher than the rest of the groupdoesn't change the healer's choices on how to heal the damage in the slightest.

It's all redone in Warlords, encounters will change and gameplay will change. Try not to compare it with what we do today, look at it in perspective and put aside the tunnelvision that is narrowing your grasp of it all.

What may look like a spoon today turns out to be nothing in Warlords

[mrgreenthump]

It's all redone in Warlords, encounters will change and gameplay will change. Try not to compare it with what we do today, look at it in perspective and put aside the tunnelvision that is narrowing your grasp of it all.

What may look like a spoon today turns out to be nothing in Warlords

Then again it would be a bit silly if most fights would have fast ticking damage just for 1 talent to be usable more than once a tier.

[maizensh]

"Flameglow shines in the case where you're taking frequent little hits of damage." From Celestalon

So basically it shines in a couple LFR fights if you are heroic geared.

Haven't read the whole deal, but FG is mainly an arena talent which is useful against several comps. Besides, this talent is dispel proof, which is invaluable for pvp.

Alternatives.
Taking IB in arena is usually a waste of a talent, and even worse, if you have a mage against you then you're just asking for trouble.
TS is good against people who know how to do a good burst. Problem is that many of those people spot your temporal shield, and immediately switch target, or dispel if they fast enough. Since the nerf, TS lost much of its value.

So generally you choose between TS or FG. Both work, just for different things. Before the TS nerf, FG wasn't as good, but now...