Reddit circlejerk. What's your stance?

[Deleted]

Ok, real talk here. I'm pretty sure you are all aware of what aforementioned circlejerk means and I'd like to know your opinion. Do you disapprove? Do you take part in it or simply ignore those people?

Personally, I ignored majority of it. Some comments made me smile for a brief moment but in general it's just the same shit on and on. Yesterday however I had a last straw. Being a very devoted Gambit fan since season 2, comments after yday's match made me cringe. Yes, both GMB and CW played very poorly and indecisively and I dare say the match would have ended 20 minutes earlier if not for Kog shoving waves endlessly. Nevertheless, why do people always say so much shit. They judge pros as if they all were D1, which is kinda sad because I bet 90% of the shitsayers are from the bronze-gold range.

Thoughts!

[docterfreeze]

What circlejerk?

[Jibjabb]

I have no idea what youre talking about but

Nevertheless, why do people always say so much shit. They judge pros as if they all were D1, which is kinda sad because I bet 90% of the shitsayers are from the bronze-gold range.

You cant be serious with that statement. I guess we should never say food is bad if we arent a chef. Or an athlete is sucking if we arent a professional athlete that can do it better ourselves.

[Faltemer]

They played incredibly poorly, as individuals players and as teams (Both GMB and CW). When the announcers mid match can't stop from calling them out you know they are doing terrible. They made it the top tier of professional league, that kind of play should be called out.

The skill level of those commenting is relatively unimportant. If nothing else if you watched literally any other match that day you would have a good idea of how pro players should play, even those who lost. GMB and CW did far worse then anyone else that day, and it made the match look incredibly sloppy and uninteresting.

[4KhazModan]

1-4givengre

Just because fans don't play in the lcs doesn't mean they can't critique pro players. Not every coach/analyst in the lcs is challenger either. I'm silver, and even I could see how badly both CW and Gambit played yesterday, it physically hurt to watch, and I've been a fan of Gambit/Moscow 5 since 2012.

[Dug]

Why do they have casters that are not all challengers? You don't have to be a professional to criticize pros

[Farseer]

I know what circlejerk is, but no idea what you guys are talking about instead

edit: for those who seem confused: In my own words, r/circlejerk is a subreddit where people make posts that parody (possibly even satirize because they also frequently imply some kind of social critique) posts/comments/discussions being held on Reddit. For example, in response to Reddit banning r/fatpeoplehate, a subreddit that was dedicated to insulting fat people (I only heard about it from the news so I don't know what people were saying in the subreddit but it probably wasn't good), r/circlejerk started the Fat Steeple Hate theme, in which they post pictures of 'fat' steeples (church towers) and say hateful things about them. Obviously people disagreed with r/fatpeoplehate's removal, and this is how r/circlejerk responds to everything that happens on Reddit: they make parodical/satirical posts about it, occasionally also specifically directed at Reddit CEO Ellen Pao (she gets a lot of shit for 'destroying Reddit').

Mostly r/circlejerk is not that serious, it's just making fun of silly things people put on Reddit (like 'This homeless man is lonely! 1 upvote = 1 hug!, idk I'm just making this up). The last time I checked r/circlejerk it was flooding with 'jet fuel can't melt steel beams'-themed posts, which basically means they're spoofing conspiracy theorists. There was one post in particular I can remember where someone had a picture of steel beams and the title was something along the lines of: 'Let's see how many jet fuel we need to melt these steel beams! 1 upvote = 1 jet fuel'. There were also a lot of posts made about Comcast and how they were 'literally Hitler' (another r/circlejerk meme).

Basically Circlejerk is a metaphor for Reddit users that are just sitting in a circle fishing for upvotes by creating silly posts, and on r/circlejerk they spoof this, but as you can see sometimes the topics can be pretty loaded.

Here's the original post by one of r/circlejerk's moderators about Fat Steeple Hate. It clearly shows how people express themselves on r/circlejerk.

[Rocksteadee]

Tsm tsm tsm

[Toxigen]

What circlejerk?

Also, just stop watching EU / NA. Its bad for your health.

Watch Korea...or China.

[Arewn]

Nevertheless, why do people always say so much shit. They judge pros as if they all were D1, which is kinda sad because I bet 90% of the shitsayers are from the bronze-gold range.

Part of it is the usual, amateurs not realizing the skill gap between them and the pros, and missing details on what's going on.
Part of it is that it's a video game, and similar results can be reasonably achieved by most people who play the game given enough time. There's a sense of "I can do that".
Part of it is that, for a moba like League, moment-to-moment knowledge of what to do at every phase of the game is probably the defining factor for what makes a pro. The skill ceiling for actually performing actions in the game("playing" the game) is pretty low, since it's not an action intensive game. It's a knowledge and cooperation/teamplay game. Knowing the meta, what items to build, how much damage X will do to Y champion at Z point in the match with ABC and EFG items built so that you know exactly when you can go in, etc. But when you're watching that instead of playing, particularly with replay functionality, it gives you time to pick apart what options would be optimal, which makes you feel better then the person playing, even if you're not. Which, in turn, can lead to saying a lot of shit.

And in general, it's easy to point and say what should have been done, but not so easy to actually do it. I'm pretty sure this is the reality with sports too. You know the stereotypical image of an old man yelling at the tv because so-and-so *insertsporthere* player screwed up the play and should have done X instead of Y.

[Ragedaug]

Ok, real talk here. I'm pretty sure you are all aware of what aforementioned circlejerk means and I'd like to know your opinion. Do you disapprove? Do you take part in it or simply ignore those people?

Personally, I ignored majority of it. Some comments made me smile for a brief moment but in general it's just the same shit on and on. Yesterday however I had a last straw. Being a very devoted Gambit fan since season 2, comments after yday's match made me cringe. Yes, both GMB and CW played very poorly and indecisively and I dare say the match would have ended 20 minutes earlier if not for Kog shoving waves endlessly. Nevertheless, why do people always say so much shit. They judge pros as if they all were D1, which is kinda sad because I bet 90% of the shitsayers are from the bronze-gold range.

Thoughts!

I know what a "circlejerk" is, but not sure how you would perform on a forum...though maybe you said you were watching it from a link in Reddit? That said, I think it takes dedication to watch a circlejerk with enough focus to tell who is performing poorly and who the pros are. I haven't actually seen one, however, so I could be wrong and it might be easy to tell, eh...who am I to say.

[Farseer]

I know what a "circlejerk" is, but not sure how you would perform on a forum...though maybe you said you were watching it from a link in Reddit? That said, I think it takes dedication to watch a circlejerk with enough focus to tell who is performing poorly and who the pros are. I haven't actually seen one, however, so I could be wrong and it might be easy to tell, eh...who am I to say.

See my edited comment above for an explanation!

[Deleted]

Why do they have casters that are not all challengers? You don't have to be a professional to criticize pros

rivingtonthethird is silver 3 or something, but he's doing a good job casting

[Duronos]

Most people can't see things the pros do outside the LCS big plays kind of thing. I've never really critiqued anything at a professional level because I'm not playing at a professional level, yeah players like Messi and Ronaldo are top tier but I can't say much past them being good because I don't play with or against them.

Something can look sloppy but you have to remember they are playing against each other relative to skill. Sometimes people aren't on their game, I just can't stand watching people critique so hard when they aren't even Plat, the game is so different at an LCS level.

[Simulacrum]

Something can look sloppy but you have to remember they are playing against each other relative to skill. Sometimes people aren't on their game, I just can't stand watching people critique so hard when they aren't even Plat, the game is so different at an LCS level.

Yeah, or it's just sloppy. You don't have to be the top 0.1% to see that missing an obvious instant skillshot against an opponent with no movement abilities moving in a straight line is a massive mistake. That's akin to failing to hit the ball in soccer, and it happens all the time on the professional level too. I've seen fuking trundle fail to put his pillar in front of his opponent on the LCS stage, back when people still sometimes played him. How many fail flashes have we seen over the ages now?

I still remember a year back or so when kayle was all the rage, and we saw some guy kill, what was it, a fed riven+renekton by himself as kayle? And everybody went "omg kayle so op", and while she may have been OP back then, that's not why that player was able to kill that many opponents solo in that situation. He pulled it off because they just stood there doing nothing while he killed them during his ult. The riven used her stuns as gapclosers to get into melee with kayle, and renekton empowered his armor shred instead of his stun, which meant that kayle was then free to simply just stand there and AA them both to death for the duration of her ult. It was a bronze-level retarded suicide play on the LCS stage, and far from the only one.

[esoterickk]

Ok, real talk here. I'm pretty sure you are all aware of what aforementioned circlejerk means and I'd like to know your opinion. Do you disapprove? Do you take part in it or simply ignore those people?

Personally, I ignored majority of it. Some comments made me smile for a brief moment but in general it's just the same shit on and on. Yesterday however I had a last straw. Being a very devoted Gambit fan since season 2, comments after yday's match made me cringe. Yes, both GMB and CW played very poorly and indecisively and I dare say the match would have ended 20 minutes earlier if not for Kog shoving waves endlessly. Nevertheless, why do people always say so much shit. They judge pros as if they all were D1, which is kinda sad because I bet 90% of the shitsayers are from the bronze-gold range.

Thoughts!

Errr, I don't think circlejerk is the buzzword you're looking for here.

[Duronos]

Yeah, or it's just sloppy. You don't have to be the top 0.1% to see that missing an obvious instant skillshot against an opponent with no movement abilities moving in a straight line is a massive mistake. That's akin to failing to hit the ball in soccer, and it happens all the time on the professional level too. I've seen fuking trundle fail to put his pillar in front of his opponent on the LCS stage, back when people still sometimes played him. How many fail flashes have we seen over the ages now?

I still remember a year back or so when kayle was all the rage, and we saw some guy kill, what was it, a fed riven+renekton by himself as kayle? And everybody went "omg kayle so op", and while she may have been OP back then, that's not why that player was able to kill that many opponents solo in that situation. He pulled it off because they just stood there doing nothing while he killed them during his ult. The riven used her stuns as gapclosers to get into melee with kayle, and renekton empowered his armor shred instead of his stun, which meant that kayle was then free to simply just stand there and AA them both to death for the duration of her ult. It was a bronze-level retarded suicide play on the LCS stage, and far from the only one.

Mate they're playing against players just as good as them meaning it creates pressure. A professional football player who flubs a pass is far less likely to flub the same exact pass against people like you and me because we don't create near as much pressure. If they fail flash it's generally because there was pressure exerted from the opponent. Look mate, I understand from your point of view it looks like something might be a super bronze play but you have no idea what it's like to play at that level.

Turret dive fails rarely happen anymore and if they do they are so far and few I can't even remember any. Bro, I understand something looks sloppy to you but if that same exact team were to play your ranked 5's team they'd look like the god Zeus himself descending upon you throwing lightning bolts mercilessly on you.

[Duilliath]

Try yesterday's game. Where Fenix got a solo quadra kill on a failed dive.

[Duronos]

Try yesterday's game. Where Fenix got a solo quadra kill on a failed dive.

Yeah it was terrible and even his team was surprised, I'm pretty certain he was surprised. It happens, it's not not a Bronze failure but a challenger level player who saw an opportunity and took it. The odds were still heavily against him, he just played it right.

[Duilliath]

Thing is - he never should've been put in the position to get that opportunity.

CLG got greedy and overplayed their hand. They had a great win right before that and should've taken it. Don't recall if Dragon was up, but they probably could've gotten an objective off of it.

I wholly disagree with your premise that 'non-LCS' players are not capable of seeing obvious flaws. Just because Riot's casters prefer not to call players out on mistakes doesn't mean they don't make them. A lot of mistakes, be it mechanical or rotational, are very obvious.