VA Tries To Confiscate Disabled Vets Guns, Stopped By Citizens And Sheriff Stand gua

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http://tacticalshit.com/va-tries-to-...tanding-guard/

So glad that there's still people upholding our great constitution, and protecting the vets rights and citizens rights from tyranny. Amen, YOWZA!

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http://tacticalshit.com/va-tries-to-...tanding-guard/

So glad that there's still people upholding our great constitution, and protecting the vets rights and citizens rights from tyranny. Amen, YOWZA!

Nice to see the sheriff doing his job.

[Roxinius]

read about this a few weeks ago the va can fuck right off

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1> The VA is determining that people are not competent to own firearms. The NICS already uses mental health records to determine if someone is competent, and this just adds the VA's mental health records to the system.

2> It's the FBI seizing the firearms, not the VA.

What you guys are supporting here is that if the VA determines that a vet is having psychotic breaks and refuses to take his meds, they shouldn't be able to prevent him from arming himself, despite his dangerous psychotic delusions. You're literally upset that the VA might pass that info along to the FBI, like any other mental health system would, with the same result.

[Roxinius]

1> The VA is determining that people are not competent to own firearms. The NICS already uses mental health records to determine if someone is competent, and this just adds the VA's mental health records to the system.

2> It's the FBI seizing the firearms, not the VA.

What you guys are supporting here is that if the VA determines that a vet is having psychotic breaks and refuses to take his meds, they shouldn't be able to prevent him from arming himself, despite his dangerous psychotic delusions. You're literally upset that the VA might pass that info along to the FBI, like any other mental health system would, with the same result.

yet it was representatives of the va coming to seize the firearms and they are basing that the person isnt handling their own finances now they cant own guns which is retarded

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1> The VA is determining that people are not competent to own firearms. The NICS already uses mental health records to determine if someone is competent, and this just adds the VA's mental health records to the system. So they should get the respect they deserve and also enjoy the freedoms that we have.

2> It's the FBI seizing the firearms, not the VA.

What you guys are supporting here is that if the VA determines that a vet is having psychotic breaks and refuses to take his meds, they shouldn't be able to prevent him from arming himself, despite his dangerous psychotic delusions. You're literally upset that the VA might pass that info along to the FBI, like any other mental health system would, with the same result.

A vets guns should never get taken away, vets fought for this country by tooth and nail. They should get the respect they deserve and enjoy the same freedoms that we get.

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yet it was representatives of the va coming to seize the firearms and they are basing that the person isnt handling their own finances now they cant own guns which is retarded

The article linked above, biased as it may be, still acknowledges that it's the FBI doing the seizing. All the VA is doing is contributing mental health information to the NCIS, like literally any other mental health service in the country already does.

A vets guns should never get taken away, vets fought for this country by tooth and nail.

Like I said; you think that because he's a vet, it doesn't matter if he's mentally incompetent. I really don't see how that's an argument. Their being a vet doesn't make them magically competent despite what medical professionals have determined.

[Zantos]

A vets guns should never get taken away, vets fought for this country by tooth and nail. They should get the respect they deserve and enjoy the same freedoms that we get.

Ehhh, if they are mentally unfit to own a fire arm, I would rather it be taken away. Seriously, I don't care who they are or what they did. If their mental stability is, well, non existent, then by all means, ensure they cannot kill someone with the pull of a trigger. Old people get away with murder often enough as is. Not even kidding. They literally can get away with murder more often then not once they hit a certain age.

[Underverse]

A vets guns should never get taken away, vets fought for this country by tooth and nail. They should get the respect they deserve and enjoy the same freedoms that we get.

So if he's, say, a domestic terrorist, we should let him do his thing as long as he's also a veteran? Nice logic.

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1> The VA is determining that people are not competent to own firearms. The NICS already uses mental health records to determine if someone is competent, and this just adds the VA's mental health records to the system.

2> It's the FBI seizing the firearms, not the VA.

What you guys are supporting here is that if the VA determines that a vet is having psychotic breaks and refuses to take his meds, they shouldn't be able to prevent him from arming himself, despite his dangerous psychotic delusions. You're literally upset that the VA might pass that info along to the FBI, like any other mental health system would, with the same result.

Do you know what could land them on the "list" of not being able to handle their finances? I didn't think so if you did you wouldn't have written this drivel.

[Zantos]

Do you know what could land them on the "list" of not being able to handle their finances? I didn't think so if you did you wouldn't have written this drivel.

Do You know what could land them on the list? I trust the Experts a lot more than some arm chair psychologist.

[ComputerNerd]

A vets guns should never get taken away, vets fought for this country by tooth and nail. They should get the respect they deserve and enjoy the same freedoms that we get.

What someone has done in the past doesn't exclude them from harmful behaviour in the future.
If there is real evidence that they are not competent with the weapon, or other relevant skills indicative of general mental capability then it should be acted upon.

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Do you know what could land them on the "list" of not being able to handle their finances? I didn't think so if you did you wouldn't have written this drivel.

Because if you can't handle simple tasks like that, it's likely that you have serious brain damage or other mental issues that are severely restricting your capacity. Hence "not competent". This is no different than how the system works for anyone else.

By way of example, a lot of people with Downs Syndrome are perfectly capable of handling their own finances and such. We're talking serious impairment, here.

[Mormolyce]

Right because what could go wrong when people with PTSD have guns?

Oh...

[cFortyfive]

Well at least a consistent avatar to the retarded posts.

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Because if you can't handle simple tasks like that, it's likely that you have serious brain damage or other mental issues that are severely restricting your capacity. Hence "not competent". This is no different than how the system works for anyone else.

By way of example, a lot of people with Downs Syndrome are perfectly capable of handling their own finances and such. We're talking serious impairment, here.

"A separate document revealed that the VA provides a monthly list of veterans who have been rated by the VA as incapable of managing their VA benefits. A simple act of changing ones banking information could get a veteran on this list, as well as refusal to take the VA prescribed pills."

Such incompetence...

[Roxinius]

The article linked above, biased as it may be, still acknowledges that it's the FBI doing the seizing. All the VA is doing is contributing mental health information to the NCIS, like literally any other mental health service in the country already does.



Like I said; you think that because he's a vet, it doesn't matter if he's mentally incompetent. I really don't see how that's an argument. Their being a vet doesn't make them magically competent despite what medical professionals have determined.

you keep side stepping the fact that if they dont handle their own finances anymore they are flagged but coming from you its not shocking

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"A separate document revealed that the VA provides a monthly list of veterans who have been rated by the VA as incapable of managing their VA benefits. A simple act of changing ones banking information could get a veteran on this list, as well as refusal to take the VA prescribed pills."

Such incompetence...

Refusing to take your meds is pretty much the classic danger sign, dude.

And as I said above; being able to handle your finances is a pretty low bar to meet.

[Zantos]

"A separate document revealed that the VA provides a monthly list of veterans who have been rated by the VA as incapable of managing their VA benefits. A simple act of changing ones banking information could get a veteran on this list, as well as refusal to take the VA prescribed pills."

Such incompetence...

Now, what are those pills for is the question. That isn't exactly a minor thing.

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