Casters and 7.3 -Not Good!

[Cempa]

7.3 'fixed' Feral for sure, the spec is back to its previous days of glory .. In other words, its fun again with strong utility as well as good damage. The issue is in a game melee are easy to play due to heavy pruning and much easing by design, 'fixing' yet another melee is pure hell for healers specifically and casters generally.

For those who haven't tried Feral yet, its simple again and super forgiving if you mess up ..

I think the build will get nurfed PvP wise, but who knows.

Issues: CC

Incap, bash CC chain with roots that can not be dispelled are cool for the Feral sure but add CC from other sources and man you can completely negate a healer. Now go to the casual BG experience .. You know, the place all players begin to see if PvP is something they want to invest more time in? AND ITS PURE HELL!

One more melee added (essentially) back into the mix, and its one more problem caster's have to suffer through ... Man I would hate being a healer in this game today ..

[Raakel]

It's totally out of control...

Way too much burst and stuns but this has been said 1 million times.

Every hard casting ranged get's eaten alive.

[ilik2345]

Its not so much the damage, though i feel the damage could do with being toned down a bit or maybe hp pools increased? But its the fact melee have so many gap closers it often feels impossible to kite them, where on the other hand melee seem to have no issues stunning or silencing ranged.

[Deleted]

Melee coming at me? No problem, I'll just kite him!

Oh wait, that doesnt work anymore

[Knolan]

I believe casters are fine right now, they all have a R1 viable comp and shadow priest is the second most popular DPS right now.

God comp, shadowplay, LSD and LSD 2 are very powerful caster cleaves.

[Well]

Where have you been since Cataclysm?

I still remember the day I went into the Arena as a mage, witnessing the Warrior Charge->Intercept->Charge->Heroic Leap me, with a cd on charge as short as my blink. It's been impossible to kite a melee for years now.

[Juggsa]

Where have you been since Cataclysm?

I still remember the day I went into the Arena as a mage, witnessing the Warrior Charge->Intercept->Charge->Heroic Leap me, with a cd on charge as short as my blink. It's been impossible to kite a melee for years now.

And how was it before that? Mage > frost nova > blink > frost bolt > repeat > warrior dead without toutching you.

[Druitz]

Actually all that casters crying about melees are just bad.

Incap -> bash healer? Fine but now think if healer is not 1500 scrub he can stay on 35-40yd and feral have to run to him, go back to dps. Oh wait incap is over ;/ GG WP.

Also it's possible to control melees, roots, slows hurts them. Gap closers? Ok but casters also got escape mechanics and they are more tanky than in previous expansions like wotlk. Hard casting in mid arena is now possible. Try it on lock vs melee cleave in wotlk = gg dead.

Casters are just fine, there are so many of them playing 3s. I cant tell it from my experience about higher ratings, i am 2.3k player but when i am watching streams there are so many caster cleaves and MCH comps.

The only issue about casters is that they always were and will always be harder than most melee specs. Also i actually prefer to play vs melees cleaves when i am healing in 3s than vs castercleaves. It also forces much better positioning, you actually cant just spam heal because of lng ranged interupts and you must play more with brain else chaos bolts will delete someone.

Btw when you check 3v3 ladder you can see balance druids, warlocks, shadow priets and mages here, even ele shaman. Casters are just harder

[Cempa]

Actually all that casters crying about melees are just bad.

Incap -> bash healer? Fine but now think if healer is not 1500 scrub he can stay on 35-40yd and feral have to run to him, go back to dps. Oh wait incap is over ;/ GG WP.

Also it's possible to control melees, roots, slows hurts them. Gap closers? Ok but casters also got escape mechanics and they are more tanky than in previous expansions like wotlk. Hard casting in mid arena is now possible. Try it on lock vs melee cleave in wotlk = gg dead.

Casters are just fine, there are so many of them playing 3s. I cant tell it from my experience about higher ratings, i am 2.3k player but when i am watching streams there are so many caster cleaves and MCH comps.

The only issue about casters is that they always were and will always be harder than most melee specs. Also i actually prefer to play vs melees cleaves when i am healing in 3s than vs castercleaves. It also forces much better positioning, you actually cant just spam heal because of lng ranged interupts and you must play more with brain else chaos bolts will delete someone.

Btw when you check 3v3 ladder you can see balance druids, warlocks, shadow priets and mages here, even ele shaman. Casters are just harder

And what % of the player base are active in 3v3? Also, in 3v3 what is happening to player participation?

Millions play this game daily, only a small minority ever step foot in 3v3 .. Think about that.

[Moonsado]

As a caster and destruction warlocks in PvP. I think most of us do not really enjoy it because of the lack of mobility.

[Ryuushima]

WoW pvp team should take a look at gw2, clearly not a perfect game either but casters there can move while casting but guess what...nope they are not overpowered.
It's all a matter of properly balancing.

[Deleted]

And what % of the player base are active in 3v3? Also, in 3v3 what is happening to player participation?

Millions play this game daily, only a small minority ever step foot in 3v3 .. Think about that.

Currently, it is the primary thing which PvP is balanced around. If this is something you have a issue with, I would suggest bringing it up on the official forums. The only time something gets changed based on Randon bgs, Rated bgs, 2v2, World PvP are if there is insanely massive outliers. While not being certain, only recall some Rated bgs changes. Rest has been based on 3v3.

And, in that case (3v3) - casters are currently doing really well. Especially Ele, Boomkin, Shadowpriest, Destro lock. Recently the meta shifted from melee cleaves to caster cleaves.

[Sencha]

Just skip Legion pvp if you're a caster. Hope next expansion will be more balanced.

[Difuid]

And how was it before that? Mage > frost nova > blink > frost bolt > repeat > warrior dead without toutching you.

No, it all began waay back with Charge -> Mortal Strike killing anything not wearing plate.

[Swalload]

Melee coming at me? No problem, I'll just kite him!

Oh wait, that doesnt work anymore

Every time you get away from me you give me a reason to use one of my million gap closer.

Casters are just melee now, they are forced to never be at range and I don't know why anyone would think that's fine. Being stuck in melee as a range looks just as wrong as getting kited forever as a melee.

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And how was it before that? Mage > frost nova > blink > frost bolt > repeat > warrior dead without toutching you.

Just as stupid as caster not being allowed to cast right now. The situation is the same but reserve, nothing was fixed, the game is still considered a giant fucking joke by anyone with a brain.

[Deleted]

I have the worst experience on my Moonkin right now.... It just not fun.

All melee can close gaps multiple times, stun multiple times, interrupt multiple times and have more selfheals/defences than they ever had.

[slime]

oh well, probably have to deal with it until next xpac when im sure things will go back to normal and ranged will once again reign supreme and melee will fall back to getting kited and pillar humped.

[Raakel]

Altoholic that I am I cycling through a lot of classes from time to time and find MM Hunters have a pretty good toolset for random BGs. They have an answer for everything a melee throws at you. I certainly don't feel like a victim. It's not a spell caster though...

[Omaski]

I think most of you casters would change your mind if you played a Ret Pally in PvP...they waddle everywhere.

[Cempa]

I think Legion has far too much movement in terms of a button that creates space or closes space ..