Dungeon Queue System: Group Players by i-LVL?

[Jaylock]

Would an internal change to the Blizzard queue system to make it more intelligent, and group players first by i-lvl, but if the queue is taking too long, just use the current rules work?

The reason I ask this is because wouldn't it make sense for the system to first look for players similar to your i-lvl to group you up with, rather than having massive differences in player power in the group? I often find that this is a source of contention for groups because generally the higher ilvl players want to speed through the heroic dungeons, and lower ilvl players want to experience the dungeon and play through it because its relevant content for their ilvl.

These differences often times lead to a few problems:

• Low i-lvl DPS may feel marginalized because their contribution to the success of the group is minimal
• Low i-lvl tanks may feel like they need time between pulls to tank properly, while other members of the group want to speed through
• Healers may have nothing to do at all because there is nothing to heal
• Pits lower i-lvl players against higher i-lvl players and creates unnecessary animosity when people have different desires in how the dungeon is completed (pace of play)

If the queue system was intelligent, and first tried to group players with other players closer to their own ilvl, these issues would be less of a problem.

And before someone comes in this thread and yells: "don't try to split the player base!", thats not the reason for proposing this internal queue change. Its purely to avoid unnecessary problems that arise from different people wanting different things in their heroic dungeon runs.

Imagine a group full of 860ish ilvl players being able to go at the pace they feel comfortable with, without some "jerk" dps or tank pulling everything and mowing everything down, and they get to do nothing to contribute to completing the dungeon.

Also, imagine a group of full 930s, entering the instance, clearing it in 5-10 minutes and they are done with their daily heroic for the day.

Its a win-win imo.

Thoughts?

[jellmoo]

You're working with the assumption that low ilvl people want to experience the content and participate. My experience has been they want to get through it as quickly as possible.

The current state of Dungeons is that it doesn't matter. Even roles don't matter. You just storm through it without stopping.

[iETHOSi]

You're working with the assumption that low ilvl people want to experience the content and participate. My experience has been they want to get through it as quickly as possible.

The current state of Dungeons is that it doesn't matter. Even roles don't matter. You just storm through it without stopping.

Exactly, when I queue on my tank and get in the dungeon, I start moving and never stop. Occasionally you get people who are trying to say hi and greet everyone in the dungeon, marking the tank and healer, buffing up, etc... then there I am pulling everything in sight without a care in the world, lol. I've honestly gotten kicked for going too fast, pulling too much and "being reckless". It almost feels like I'm ruining their RPG immersion and they want to really "experience" the dungeon or something, lol.

[God Save The King]

Exactly, when I queue on my tank and get in the dungeon, I start moving and never stop. Occasionally you get people who are trying to say hi and greet everyone in the dungeon, marking the tank and healer, buffing up, etc... then there I am pulling everything in sight without a care in the world, lol. I've honestly gotten kicked for going too fast, pulling too much and "being reckless". It almost feels like I'm ruining their RPG immersion and they want to really "experience" the dungeon or something, lol.

While I've never been kicked, I will usually just pull everything up to and including the boss on my druid, excluding heavy caster pulls due to ranging issues. With over 950 ilvl, heroic, mythic, & low level keystone dungeons are a joke anymore.

[Aucald]

My primary and immediate concern would be the stratification of the playerbase vastly increasing the time it takes to complete a group set-up. DPS would suffer the most from this, and a paucity of tanks or healers on a particular iLvl "tier" of such a group finder model would be very pronounced. Perhaps even better than using iLvl would be a "tone" slider - something like "relaxed" to "quick" indicating on how you wish to run the instance. Those who scale back toward "relaxed" would be grouped with like, and vice-versa. If there is a shortage this could simply be discounted and a user alerted with a message like "due to a shortage of X role this group was created ignoring tone input."

[Deleted]

Would an internal change to the Blizzard queue system to make it more intelligent, and group players first by i-lvl, but if the queue is taking too long, just use the current rules work?

Once again Jay proves he likes the Blizzard epeen joke to much (and doesnt understand jokes).

Thoughts? Its a Jay-useless-lock thread that doesnt contribute anything usefull and is only clickbait as even he knows the idea is beyond stupid

Also, imagine a group of full 930s, entering the instance, clearing it in 5-10 minutes and they
are done with their daily heroic for the day.

must be an US thinggy but here in the EU HC dungeons never tend to last longer then 5 mins these days....

Imagine a group full of 860ish ilvl players being able to go at the pace they feel comfortable with, without some "jerk" dps or tank pulling everything and mowing everything down, and they get to do nothing to contribute to completing the dungeon.

This problem ONLY exists in your HEAD Jay....

[Bronan]

I'm not sure it would be a good idea. High ilevel may see long queues because there aren't so many of them.

[Nnyco]

last we need is longer queues for dps, which that would ultimately cause

[Achilles55]

Your posts are usually well written, thought out, and seem to be aimed to spark discussion so I appreciate them. I think this idea is AMAZING I would love more ways to play with players of similar skill/experience/IL. Obviously that's easy to do in premades thanks to raider.io/wowprogress/achievements etc but with queued instances like dungeons or LFR (which I think is bad for the game)you end up playing with incompetent players that are lazy and don't car about others. Random heroics are 1 player carrying 4 and lfr is half a dozen people carrying the raid. It's not a good environment. Unless they add some new way to upgrade legendaries faster I'll be doing a random heroic every day for a LONG time and LFR each week until I get all the tmog appearances. I love this idea and think it's a win win for everyone other than bad players looking to get carried.

EDIT: All the people commenting about long queues must have missed the quote about reverting back to the old system in an instant if queue times took too long. TBH I would GLADLY have a longer queue time if it means I don't have to play with incompetent and lazy players.

[shadowmatrix]

TLDR: Lets take a que system that already has issues with long waits and make people wait even longer.

[iETHOSi]

While I've never been kicked, I will usually just pull everything up to and including the boss on my druid, excluding heavy caster pulls due to ranging issues. With over 950 ilvl, heroic, mythic, & low level keystone dungeons are a joke anymore.

I guess I just have horrible luck with people I get grouped with, lol. It's not like I ever lose aggro on things either. I also always LoS as much as possible to have everything in a nice little clumped up pile. LoS seems to be a lost art with a lot of tanks these days, I do get compliments on it every so often which is cool. :P

[epLe]

And before someone comes in this thread and yells: "don't try to split the player base!", thats not the reason for proposing this internal queue change. Its purely to avoid unnecessary problems that arise from different people wanting different things in their heroic dungeon runs.

Different people all want the same loot, AP, welfare-bag, and a smooth and fast run.

There are no difference in their wants due to item levels.

[God Save The King]

I guess I just have horrible luck with people I get grouped with, lol. It's not like I ever lose aggro on things either. I also always LoS as much as possible to have everything in a nice little clumped up pile. LoS seems to be a lost art with a lot of tanks these days, I do get compliments on it every so often which is cool. :P

Pulls that can be LoS'ed, I do that as well. Some are trickier though, like that first set of casters in Darkheart, it's hard to LoS them to the first boss.

[sosleapy]

So lets see things queable for: LFR LFD and pvp.
LFR already a joke and so what its a way for people to gear and see content. If you are 950 and in a 910 LFR dont be an elitest jerk. you know what lfr is for
LFD really the hardest is Heroic to do this so if you are 950 who cares you can solo it and dont be that jerk dps that thinks he is awesome and pulls everything

pvp well noone cares about pvp

also as already stated the only time you see anyone over 900 doing heroic is for the weekly event . I personally dont give a damn if the person in there is 840 if i am 950. i just carry on with my buissness slow down and let everyone do what they want.

Stop trying to be the elitest jerk. noone cares or likes them

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about reverting back to the old system in an instant if queue times took too long. TBH I would GLADLY have a longer queue time if it means I don't have to play with incompetent and lazy players.

so an elitest in other words is what you are? and someone that just got a toon to 100 and wants to run a heroic dungeon is lazy or incompetent? and while you sit and wait 30 mins i am already done with mine and doing other important things.

[Achilles55]

So lets see things queable for: LFR LFD and pvp.
LFR already a joke and so what its a way for people to gear and see content. If you are 950 and in a 910 LFR dont be an elitest jerk. you know what lfr is for
LFD really the hardest is Heroic to do this so if you are 950 who cares you can solo it and dont be that jerk dps that thinks he is awesome and pulls everything

pvp well noone cares about pvp

also as already stated the only time you see anyone over 900 doing heroic is for the weekly event . I personally dont give a damn if the person in there is 840 if i am 950. i just carry on with my buissness slow down and let everyone do what they want.

Stop trying to be the elitest jerk. noone cares or likes them

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so an elitest in other words is what you are? and someone that just got a toon to 100 and wants to run a heroic dungeon is lazy or incompetent? and while you sit and wait 30 mins i am already done with mine and doing other important things.

So if you're happy finishing the dungeon fast and I'm happy waiting for 30 minutes would you say that is a......WIN WIN? Yeah I thought so. Glad we can agree

[sosleapy]

So if you're happy finishing the dungeon fast and I'm happy waiting for 30 minutes would you say that is a......WIN WIN? Yeah I thought so. Glad we can agree

there is other things in wow more important than 2% of the community wanting to not run faster dungeons but longer wait times or wait here is another idea since you are such a great guy why dont you and 4 of your other buddies put a group together and go go go till your tiny little heart is content.

[Flurryfang]

You are creating a worse experience for the low item lvl people and only increase the experience of the high lvl people by a small amount.

Any content, that can currently be LFGed can be soloed by a good player, so it does not really matter, that there are others with them.

Outside of those problems, it would also create 2 different experiences in the LFG system. What if the low item lvl experience is more fun? What if a high item lvl person ques up with a low item lvl person? You are just asking for the game to get yelled at more Jaylock.

And.... I can't believe i actually replied to this dumb thread

[Achilles55]

there is other things in wow more important than 2% of the community wanting to not run faster dungeons but longer wait times or wait here is another idea since you are such a great guy why dont you and 4 of your other buddies put a group together and go go go till your tiny little heart is content.

I mean considering I can solo normal raids let alone dungeons I'm not too concerned about making a premade for a random heroic. I simply would prefer not to play with garbage. Also you can be salty and triggered trowing out meaningless words like "elitist" as if that's somehow an insult all you want but it doesn't change the fact that you're arguing against an idea that's a win win for everyone. The queue would default to players similar to your iL and if no one is found it'd go back to normal. No one gets carried and no one has to play with dumpster players.

[Lochton]

Yeah, no.. I read the title and didn't read more. It'll be a big ass NO from me.


The automated queue mechanic shouldn't enforce elitism. As well, it would kill the queues for certain people.

[Teri]

The only change I want to dungeon finder is add mythic 0 to it.