Does Blizzard still think personal loot should be forced in BFA for EVERYBODY?

[keedorin]

Ever since the introduction of the personal loot option, I have been highly against it due to many reasons: The items not being able to be traded, people getting items who did not need it, and no more tier tokens. Now that they've "improved" personal loot, I can stomach it a little bit, but the core problems are still there.

Throughout my time of playing wow and joining pugs, I've only encountered ninja looting maybe 3 times; however, with the cluster fuck that is personal loot, I've seen people get barraged with whispers asking if they need the item that they've just received. First of all, this is incredibly annoying, and if that person didn't actually need the loot, the loot will either be rolled for, go to the person who asked first, or actually not being given out due to the owner being frustrated and annoyed due to the whispers. The latter has occurred way too often for Personal loot combat "ninja looting." I've had someone literally say, "I got it, so, therefore, this item is mines" and proceeds to disenchant it, and once I kicked that person, everyone got mad and left because I thought she was being a douchebag. Not only does personal loot encouraged toxic behavior, there's a lot of waiting to see if someone needs the piece or not when the group could just start trash.

With Master loot, these problems don't exist, and the chances of someone getting loot that they do not need outweighs the chances of there being a ninja looter. Now, I have the choice of not doing pugs, and I'm glad I do. I can just raid with my guild, where I can depend on Master loot to actually get items I need. However, if it is true that Blizzard will force guilds to use personal loot, I might just quit raiding because I can already see the loot drama that's about to come.

[Onikaroshi]

I'm just going to keep going with my Tinfoil hat theory: They fucked up coding so bad for Azerite Gear that they can't hand it out via ML so they removed it.

[Moozart]

Ever since the introduction of the personal loot option, I have been highly against it due to many reasons: The items not being able to be traded, people getting items who did not need it, and no more tier tokens. Now that they've "improved" personal loot, I can stomach it a little bit, but the core problems are still there.

Throughout my time of playing wow and joining pugs, I've only encountered ninja looting maybe 3 times; however, with the cluster fuck that is personal loot, I've seen people get barraged with whispers asking if they need the item that they've just received. First of all, this is incredibly annoying, and if that person didn't actually need the loot, the loot will either be rolled for, go to the person who asked first, or actually not being given out due to the owner being frustrated and annoyed due to the whispers. The latter has occurred way too often for Personal loot combat "ninja looting." I've had someone literally say, "I got it, so, therefore, this item is mines" and proceeds to disenchant it, and once I kicked that person, everyone got mad and left because I thought she was being a douchebag. Not only does personal loot encouraged toxic behavior, there's a lot of waiting to see if someone needs the piece or not when the group could just start trash.

With Master loot, these problems don't exist, and the chances of someone getting loot that they do not need outweighs the chances of there being a ninja looter. Now, I have the choice of not doing pugs, and I'm glad I do. I can just raid with my guild, where I can depend on Master loot to actually get items I need. However, if it is true that Blizzard will force guilds to use personal loot, I might just quit raiding because I can already see the loot drama that's about to come.

ITs is the way its going to be. I am not sure why you think they have changed their stance on this. It is 100% going live. You sound like all the butt hurt Guild officers (loot council) that can no longer divvy up loot to themselves first.

[vorchun]

I'm just going to keep going with my Tinfoil hat theory: They fucked up coding so bad for Azerite Gear that they can't hand it out via ML so they removed it.

Was JFK also killed because they fucked up coding so bad? It makes about the same sense.

[Onikaroshi]

Was JFK also killed because they fucked up coding so bad? It makes about the same sense.

It's untradeable, the going reasoning since blizzard won't speak on it, is because it literally LOCKS itself to person who looted it. Also a good chance they just used set piece coding for, so no, not really that unbelievable.

[keedorin]

ITs is the way its going to be. I am not sure why you think they have changed their stance on this. It is 100% going live. You sound like all the butt hurt Guild officers (loot council) that can no longer divvy up loot to themselves first.

I've never been an officer in a guild, so stop assuming. I've never had a problem with gear, and every guild I've been in so far ( I guild hopped a lot ), has been fair with loot besides that one time I won a mount roll but I didn't get it because I died early. I left that guild because the guild in general was toxic af and soon broke apart due to M Mammaroth.

[kamuimac]

Ever since the introduction of the personal loot option, I have been highly against it due to many reasons: The items not being able to be traded, people getting items who did not need it, and no more tier tokens. Now that they've "improved" personal loot, I can stomach it a little bit, but the core problems are still there.

Throughout my time of playing wow and joining pugs, I've only encountered ninja looting maybe 3 times; however, with the cluster fuck that is personal loot, I've seen people get barraged with whispers asking if they need the item that they've just received. First of all, this is incredibly annoying, and if that person didn't actually need the loot, the loot will either be rolled for, go to the person who asked first, or actually not being given out due to the owner being frustrated and annoyed due to the whispers. The latter has occurred way too often for Personal loot combat "ninja looting." I've had someone literally say, "I got it, so, therefore, this item is mines" and proceeds to disenchant it, and once I kicked that person, everyone got mad and left because I thought she was being a douchebag. Not only does personal loot encouraged toxic behavior, there's a lot of waiting to see if someone needs the piece or not when the group could just start trash.

With Master loot, these problems don't exist, and the chances of someone getting loot that they do not need outweighs the chances of there being a ninja looter. Now, I have the choice of not doing pugs, and I'm glad I do. I can just raid with my guild, where I can depend on Master loot to actually get items I need. However, if it is true that Blizzard will force guilds to use personal loot, I might just quit raiding because I can already see the loot drama that's about to come.

yes - so deal with it

this is literaly the best change that happend to the game

and only ones against it are those who abused others

[clevin]

You needed your own thread on this... why?

[Sheor]

With ML I seen way too often officers funneling loot to themselves and their friends and I have horrible luck with personal loot so doesn't change much. Will be nice to never see ninja looters in pugs ever again though atleast.

[JackWest]

yes - so deal with it

this is literaly the best change that happend to the game

and only ones against it are those who abused others

Mr ‘broken recorder’ at it again. Nothing new to see

[Deleted]

I'm just going to keep going with my Tinfoil hat theory: They fucked up coding so bad for Azerite Gear that they can't hand it out via ML so they removed it.

That makes no sense on any level

@OP

What would make you think they changed their stance on this?

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It's untradeable, the going reasoning since blizzard won't speak on it, is because it literally LOCKS itself to person who looted it. Also a good chance they just used set piece coding for, so no, not really that unbelievable.

Azerite gear is tradable......

[Onikaroshi]

That makes no sense on any level

@OP

What would make you think they changed their stance on this?

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Azerite gear is tradable......

Unless something changed extremely recently, like this build or last, no, it isn't.

[otro]

If azerite was the problem they would make it go straight to the bag like the pantheon trinkets

[shaunika123]

Azerite gear is tradable......

it's not though

Agree.
While I was an officer in a guild, the GM would often funnel loot to the other officers she liked.

Thing is she and her bf ran the guild and a pair of raiders who were a couple ended up getting promoted and they had this whole omg we are a couple and YOU are a couple we are totally good friends now, so they would favor them above the others. They used to be more fair before that.

Soooo, yeeeah.

if only there was a way to leave shitty world 2000 guilds that actually did this

but hey when has punishing the majority for the actions of the minority not been a good idea.

[Morae]

I will still always say that ML should be option.

If you complain "but officurs taek mah lewts!", then please, get out of your shitty guild. That is the only reason ML abuse is happening. People are in shit guilds.

Proper guilds that care about their progression, keeping members in, no drama, ect. do not funnel loot to officers or GM first or their girlfriend or boyfriend or X.


Each person that uses it as an excuse is in my eyes a fool. I first wrote much harsher words, but I think I would get infracted.

Stop being in shit guilds. Only place where it has been possible to use ML.

[shaunika123]

I had been with them for about a year and was loyal to the guild. Take your snark and suck it will you? Besides, a few months afterwards I went on a break and when I came back the guild was dead.

which is proof enough that abusing ML is not a sustainable thing and takes care of itself?

also you being loyal to a guild that abuses you is your own fault

[judgementofantonidas]

Ever since the introduction of the personal loot option, I have been highly against it due to many reasons: The items not being able to be traded, people getting items who did not need it, and no more tier tokens. Now that they've "improved" personal loot, I can stomach it a little bit, but the core problems are still there.

Throughout my time of playing wow and joining pugs, I've only encountered ninja looting maybe 3 times; however, with the cluster fuck that is personal loot, I've seen people get barraged with whispers asking if they need the item that they've just received. First of all, this is incredibly annoying, and if that person didn't actually need the loot, the loot will either be rolled for, go to the person who asked first, or actually not being given out due to the owner being frustrated and annoyed due to the whispers. The latter has occurred way too often for Personal loot combat "ninja looting." I've had someone literally say, "I got it, so, therefore, this item is mines" and proceeds to disenchant it, and once I kicked that person, everyone got mad and left because I thought she was being a douchebag. Not only does personal loot encouraged toxic behavior, there's a lot of waiting to see if someone needs the piece or not when the group could just start trash.

With Master loot, these problems don't exist, and the chances of someone getting loot that they do not need outweighs the chances of there being a ninja looter. Now, I have the choice of not doing pugs, and I'm glad I do. I can just raid with my guild, where I can depend on Master loot to actually get items I need. However, if it is true that Blizzard will force guilds to use personal loot, I might just quit raiding because I can already see the loot drama that's about to come.

I am not a supporter of personal loot. However we find ourselves needing to pug often enough that we are pretty much screwed into using it.

How we handle it is any loot that is not needed is passed to a centralized person that asks for rolls. This is announced pre raid. It is also announced that if you whisper people for their loot you will be removed.

[shaunika123]

1. ML worked fine for a year before these problems started.

2. As I said, I took a break. Part of that was because of the behaviour of the GM. It was coming to the point where I would deliberately disconnect and in the end I took the break cause the guild and the game wasn't fun.

3. Last but not least, I had good friends in the guild. I could have left at the first sign of trouble but I stuck around cause I liked the guild more than I hated it, which eventually changed. Also you should really stop attacking people. Starting to rub me off the wrong way.

i havent attacked you once.

and as you said, you quite because the GM abused the system, and the guild broke up shortly afterwards.

which means the problem fixes itself without blizzard needing to interfere

and anyway it's a super super minor thing in the grand scheme of things
it doesnt happen in actual good guilds only trash ones.

[keedorin]

yes - so deal with it

this is literaly the best change that happend to the game

and only ones against it are those who abused others

This is the problem here. People like you are the reason why we lose choices to do things. At one point there was an option between personal loot and master loot. People complained about that because there were too many master loot groups. Like I said, I've pugged a lot throughout my time playing wow, and I only had issues maybe 3 times with ML, while I had issues with personal loot MULTIPLE times. I'd rather have one person control loot instead of 5 people who think they're important just because they can choose who gets the loot or not. I used to lead pugs and be in pugs. I've never abused Master Loot, and I don't know why you would. The group would leave the second they see signs of a ninja looter. People don't do the same when they see someone disenchant loot they got but others needed; however, it's the same thing at the end. Maybe I should prove a point by going on my DK in Normal/heroic raids and disenchanting every piece of loot I get. I wouldn't do that because I'm not a douchebag, but I've seen people do this or things equivalent to it. This system is a failure already if I get loot I don't need when it can be an upgrade for other people in the group.

[Jimzeel]

I bet that there are multiple reason it is done for.
One is clearly to balance out the aquisition of gear. This way people can not stack gear on certain people to cheese certain fights during progress raids; something that has been done for mythics since ages.

Second one is the rampant abuse by master looters. Wether it is in guilds or in pugs, ninjalooting and abusive masterlooters have been an issue since day 1 of this game. And you can go and ban those masterlooters, or prevent the abuse altogether.

And yes, it is here to stay. Some don't like it, some do, but in the end the devs made this decision and we need to see how it works out. And who knows, it just might be better, or it works disasterous and the devs need to pull this change.