Momemtum vs demonic in MM(+)

[Deleted]

Hi !

I wanted to know what you guys think about momentum vs demonic build on a MM environment (and what it is going to be in MM+).

What do you think will be used the most ? What is the most effective ?

[Veiled Shadow]

Momentum is the way to go without a doubt (with current tuning). It was already ahead in the past, but the buffs to Unbound Chaos make it far stronger than Demonic (in aoe it sims like 15% higher).

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Momentum has a higher DPS but it's completely hectic, requires much more concentration/awareness and has much less survivability.

[glorf12]

Movement is also very rough in some mythic dungeons. Demonic feels like the best choice for ease of use. Momentum is more dps but way harder.

[tutrus]

is momo really that much more dps? 15% more damage dosent seem that insane and i find it hard to believe it actually does that much more than demonic.

is it just sims or are people finding these results while actually playing the game as well ?

[Khiyone]

is momo really that much more dps? 15% more damage dosent seem that insane and i find it hard to believe it actually does that much more than demonic.

is it just sims or are people finding these results while actually playing the game as well ?

What, lol? 15% is a massive difference from just swapping a talent.

I've tested both in mythic runs and find that Momentum does way more DPS as well. Granted, a lot of it is due to how completely broken Unbound Chaos is, though, so when that inevitably gets nerfed I'd like to try a comparison again.

[Soulflayer]

Look the difference with sims in my char:

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/repo...VfzsLr1vZCraBo (momo)

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/repo...An2TneXtjnN6AL (Demo)

[Nestalim]

Yeah Momo is far above, it is not only about the % but the fury regeneration it provides that is crazy.

But for sure, I will never go on Momentum in Tol Dagor.

[Deleted]

I'm curious, have you tried simming Demonic with a 1313221 build instead of 3213221? IMHO It would seem as a more appropiate approach to the demonic build.

[McFrotton]

Momentum has a higher DPS but it's completely hectic, requires much more concentration/awareness and has much less survivability.

ANd demonic is WAY WAY more fun!

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I'm curious, have you tried simming Demonic with a 1313221 build instead of 3213221? IMHO It would seem as a more appropiate approach to the demonic build.

I run this build so far and it feels good, fury generation is great too.

[Isilarya]

Theres so many bosses in Myth 0 I found that using felrush as a dps tool can likely actually get you killed that I have to call into question the usefulness of momo. Like you all sim patchwerk. There isnt patchwerk lol.

[pay928]

Look the difference with sims in my char:

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/repo...VfzsLr1vZCraBo (momo)

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/repo...An2TneXtjnN6AL (Demo)

Here's your character with an actual demo spec (1313211) https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/repo...8uwEqX4zCRbiSj and the difference is 1.3%.

[Soulflayer]

Here's your character with an actual demo spec (1313211) https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/repo...8uwEqX4zCRbiSj and the difference is 1.3%.

Thanks! I was only testing the last talent(my fault!)

[Moarbacon]

what kind of build would we be using for momo? I see some using trail of ruin but wouldn't fel mastery make more sense since it's so dependent on fel rush + unbound?

[kaelleria]

Not gonna lie I'm kind of jealous of your gear at this point. A full clear has only netted me 4 pieces of 340 gear that weren't for a duplicate slot and no weapons.


Have you ended up hitting 17 yet for your azurite pieces to actually be upgrades over a 325?


On topic - Momentum and unbound chaos are going to end up being pretty difficult to use effectively at higher levels of M+.

[Soulflayer]

Not gonna lie I'm kind of jealous of your gear at this point. A full clear has only netted me 4 pieces of 340 gear that weren't for a duplicate slot and no weapons.


Have you ended up hitting 17 yet for your azurite pieces to actually be upgrades over a 325?


On topic - Momentum and unbound chaos are going to end up being pretty difficult to use effectively at higher levels of M+.

Today I hit 16 for the 340 helm. Only two mythic dungeons are left for my team, and are the Siege of Boralus and King's Rest. We will do boralus in a few days I guess! But yes. Im the lucky one in my group. The tank still have a 286 shield xD

[kaelleria]

Today I hit 16 for the 340 helm. Only two mythic dungeons are left for my team, and are the Siege of Boralus and King's Rest. We will do boralus in a few days I guess! But yes. Im the lucky one in my group. The tank still have a 286 shield xD

The 4 340 chest pieces I have make me very sad

Kings rest has some sketchy mechanics if you're not familiar with them, but overall I'd say Temple is the hardest of the lot. I haven't done Siege yet either.

Did you end up grinding island expeditions? I just hit 15 as I haven't really had as much time as I would have liked this week.

[Soulflayer]

The 4 340 chest pieces I have make me very sad

Kings rest has some sketchy mechanics if you're not familiar with them, but overall I'd say Temple is the hardest of the lot. I haven't done Siege yet either.

Did you end up grinding island expeditions? I just hit 15 as I haven't really had as much time as I would have liked this week.

Nop, I dont farm the Expeditions. To be honest, I dont really like the sceneario. It is Worth?

[Deleted]

Unbound chaos is going to be stupidly good.. I just have one trait.. One of my biggest dmg dealers every dungeon (total dmg).. The carnage it will cause with 3x oh my.. I am wondering how it works with momo? It must increase its dmg by 15% right? Does the fel rush bonus talent also work on it or is it different?

[kaelleria]

Nop, I dont farm the Expeditions. To be honest, I dont really like the sceneario. It is Worth?

Do it to get your bonus every week at the very least. Doing heroics it was 225 x 5 + 2500 for the bonus.