Zandalari Warlock petition

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https://www.gopetition.com/petitions...cks-again.html

Hey guys, just leaving this here in case you're interested in participating.

Please keep this civil, you only have to join if you really want to, if you don't please be mindful and respectful of those who do.

Thanks in advance to all of you.

[Shefu]

https://www.gopetition.com/petitions...cks-again.html

Hey guys, just leaving this here in case you're interested in participating.

Please keep this civil, you only have to join if you really want to, if you don't please be mindful and respectful of those who do.

Thanks in advance to all of you.

Signed! Good work!

[Verazh]

Signed.

Thanks for this

[Pronbear]

/10chars Signed

[Skildar]

where do I vote no?

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If I had my way they shouldn't be rogues either because they don't want to use shadow magic. Lore wise their priest can't be shadow also. I applaud Blizzard for not allowing them to be warlocks as I care about the lore. I Would love it even more if they can't be rogues as that goes against their culture also.

[Dalheim]

If I had my way they shouldn't be rogues either because they don't want to use shadow magic. Lore wise their priest can't be shadow also. I applaud Blizzard for not allowing them to be warlocks as I care about the lore. I Would love it even more if they can't be rogues as that goes against their culture also.

They have rogues, and warlocks exist in lore and are called ''Demoniacs'', if you cared about lore, you'd know this already.

[Maleific]

If I had my way they shouldn't be rogues either because they don't want to use shadow magic. Lore wise their priest can't be shadow also. I applaud Blizzard for not allowing them to be warlocks as I care about the lore. I Would love it even more if they can't be rogues as that goes against their culture also.

I would imagine priests of Bwonsamdi might dabble in shadow. And voodoo, hexes and the like used by witch doctors are close to an aff lock. Plenty of justification imo.

[Venziir]

If I had my way they shouldn't be rogues either because they don't want to use shadow magic. Lore wise their priest can't be shadow also. I applaud Blizzard for not allowing them to be warlocks as I care about the lore. I Would love it even more if they can't be rogues as that goes against their culture also.

No rogues? One of their prime Loa was Shadra, the loa of stealth, poison, assassination etc etc.

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They have rogues, and warlocks exist in lore and are called ''Demoniacs'', if you cared about lore, you'd know this already.

That was retconned. Their new lore states the Zandalari don't seek power from these dark sources. Those npc's were in Vanilla WoW and have been retconned.

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No rogues? One of their prime Loa was Shadra, the loa of stealth, poison, assassination etc etc.

The Zandalari used the poison aspect. Stealth is fine but shadow magic is a no no. And rogues use shadow magic. My guess is that Zandalari rogues lore wise don't use shadow magic. Same as Undead priest should not be able to use holy magic. The same applies to Zandalari priest, none of them lore wise should be shadow priest.

[Dalheim]

That was retconned. Their new lore states the Zandalari don't seek power from these dark sources. Those npc's were in Vanilla WoW and have been retconned.

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The Zandalari used the poison aspect. Stealth is fine but shadow magic is a no no. And rogues use shadow magic. My guess is that Zandalari rogues lore wise don't use shadow magic. Same as Undead priest should not be able to use holy magic. The same applies to Zandalari priest, none of them lore wise should be shadow priest.

[citation needed]

[Venziir]

That was retconned. Their new lore states the Zandalari don't seek power from these dark sources. Those npc's were in Vanilla WoW and have been retconned.

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The Zandalari used the poison aspect. Stealth is fine but shadow magic is a no no. And rogues use shadow magic. My guess is that Zandalari rogues lore wise don't use shadow magic. Same as Undead priest should not be able to use holy magic. The same applies to Zandalari priest, none of them lore wise should be shadow priest.

You clearly paid no attention to the Shadra worshippers - there is no "no no" regarding shadow magic. Look at Bwonsamdi or Mueh'zala, both are masters of shadow, death and darkness. And seriously, undead holy priests have been explained over and over the past 10 years....

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You clearly paid no attention to the Shadra worshippers - there is no "no no" regarding shadow magic. Look at Bwonsamdi or Mueh'zala, both are masters of shadow, death and darkness. And seriously, undead holy priests have been explained over and over the past 10 years....

If you noticed the Zandalari mostly ignored Bownsamdi and there is even new lore created how the Zandalari for the most part acknowledged his existance but did not make him a main loa to their empire. Hence his temple is way out in the swamps away from the mass population of the Zandalari. The entire storyline is making Bownsamdi into a main loa of the Zandalari. Since he dwells in the shadows and deals with death the Zandalari mostly ignored him as being a main loa, he was only respected. Your argument is used against you. I ovbiously bring up the udnead priest argument to make the same connection to the Zandalari. I would say Zandalari by lore cannot be Subtlety Rogues that use shadow magic but can be the other two specs.

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[citation needed]

Literally in chronicles or any wiki talking about Zandalari culture. If you read chronicles it would make zero sense for them to be warlocks.

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where do I vote no?

In that place called "Ignore this post and move on".

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If you noticed the Zandalari mostly ignored Bownsamdi and there is even new lore created how the Zandalari for the most part acknowledged his existance but did not make him a main loa to their empire. Hence his temple is way out in the swamps away from the mass population of the Zandalari. The entire storyline is making Bownsamdi into a main loa of the Zandalari. Since he dwells in the shadows and deals with death the Zandalari mostly ignored him as being a main loa, he was only respected. Your argument is used against you. I ovbiously bring up the udnead priest argument to make the same connection to the Zandalari. I would say Zandalari by lore cannot be Subtlety Rogues that use shadow magic but can be the other two specs.
for them to be warlocks.

Zandalari don't exactly dislike the practice of Shadow, it's just not the dominant practice. Some classes such as the Shadow hunters are still highly revered among the Zandalari.

I think many people are conflicting their Loa zealotry with Light worship kinda like Draenei and the Naaru but unlike them the Loa are very diverse. Bwonsamdi is by no means a lesser loa, there's actually a shrine dedicated to the "lesser ones". Bwonsamdi is regarded as an important Loa, as you can see while questing. The Zandalari worship their Loa but they also thirst for knowledge. The only school of magic that seems truly off limits is Blood Magic.

They literally initially associated with the Mogu for their knowledge of the Arcane, which is arguably just as much of a corrupting energy as Shadow and Fel can be if used the wrong way.

[Maleific]

If you noticed the Zandalari mostly ignored Bownsamdi and there is even new lore created how the Zandalari for the most part acknowledged his existance but did not make him a main loa to their empire. Hence his temple is way out in the swamps away from the mass population of the Zandalari. The entire storyline is making Bownsamdi into a main loa of the Zandalari. Since he dwells in the shadows and deals with death the Zandalari mostly ignored him as being a main loa, he was only respected. Your argument is used against you. I ovbiously bring up the udnead priest argument to make the same connection to the Zandalari. I would say Zandalari by lore cannot be Subtlety Rogues that use shadow magic but can be the other two specs.

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Literally in chronicles or any wiki talking about Zandalari culture. If you read chronicles it would make zero sense for them to be warlocks.

Bwonsamdi can be mostly ignored, but still respected to have followers. It's not the first time a fraction of a fraction of something made it into the player's hands. (cough void elves)

[Netherspark]

They have rogues, and warlocks exist in lore and are called ''Demoniacs'', if you cared about lore, you'd know this already.

A single NPC from vanilla who was only created as a player class analogue to act as a rep vendor.

Any Zandalari following demonic magic would be a heretic in the eyes of the Loa.

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I want petition against this petition.

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A single NPC from vanilla who was only created as a player class analogue to act as a rep vendor.

Any Zandalari following demonic magic would be a heretic in the eyes of the Loa.

The same could be said about the Arcane that is also a volatile corrupting force if used the wrong way, yet the Zandalari actively seeked knowledge about it from the Mogu. The only form of magic actively condemned by the Loa is Blood Magic.

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I want petition against this petition.

This doesn't affect you in any way, shape or form but yet you apparently felt obligated to give such a response.

[Mysterymask]

the sad thing is if warlock was never a choice to begin with no one would of cared...

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In that place called "Ignore this post and move on".

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Zandalari don't exactly dislike the practice of Shadow, it's just not the dominant practice. Some classes such as the Shadow hunters are still highly revered among the Zandalari.

I think many people are conflicting their Loa zealotry with Light worship kinda like Draenei and the Naaru but unlike them the Loa are very diverse. Bwonsamdi is by no means a lesser loa, there's actually a shrine dedicated to the "lesser ones". Bwonsamdi is regarded as an important Loa, as you can see while questing. The Zandalari worship their Loa but they also thirst for knowledge. The only school of magic that seems truly off limits is Blood Magic.

They literally initially associated with the Mogu for their knowledge of the Arcane, which is arguably just as much of a corrupting energy as Shadow and Fel can be if used the wrong way.

Yes they had Shadow hunters, but they were lessened and lessened over time. As we can see in Mist of Pandaria and in BFA none of them exist anymore. So far the only Zandalari warlock that exist is an exile in the desert. Probably exiled because he was a warlock. If Bownsamdi was much an "important" Loa to the Zandalari they would have treated him with much more respect. It was not till BFA where the trolls needed his power that he became important. And now that Zandalari ruling family is now in line with Bownsmdi that would indicate some chanegs would happen in their culture. But at the time being the Zandalari seemed to have almost fully removed themselves from dark powers. Necromancy, blood magic, shadow magic, etc.

The Zandalari NEVER questioned great power and admired Lei Shin and his powers over thunder. And no it is not arcane, but arcane is not the same rule of magic as shadow or fel as we also learn in the warlock class quest in legion. Arcane comes from completely different sources than shadow, fel, or blood magic when learning about runes of magic in the warlock order hall.

So again. The Zandalari don't deal with dark magic. They have in the past but that was thousands of years ago before their empire growed to what it is today with their tradition.

I am glad the Developers did not give them warlocks. And I even understand why they can be rogues; it is simply not canon for them to be subtlety rogues most likely. I am also glad they can't be DK's as that would make zero sense also. (it can make sense if they had zero connection to the Zandalari in game; they could work around this by giving them DK's but they can't get heritage armor as the Zandalari Empire wants nothing to do with them anymore)

In short I spit on the silly petition and don't support lore illiterate people making decisions about the game. Be happy they can be pallys; this request is annoying, against the lore, and petty. I actually care about the lore unlike some people here.