what do you think is the hardest fight in each raid?

[Deleted]

in your own personal opinion, from past experience or otherwise, which boss did *you* have the most trouble with in each raid? genuinely curious, as i've missed out a lot of tiers and just want to guage opinions.

i'll leave a template below with all the ones that are in the game as of now (excluding the one-boss raids), feel free to pick and choose which of these you want to fill out or feel free to fill them all;


Molten Core:
Blackwing Lair:
AQ20:
AQ40:

Karazhan:
SSC:
Tempest Keep:
Mount Hyjal:
Black Temple:
Sunwell Plateau:

Naxxramas:
VoA:
Ulduar:
TotC:
Icecrown Citadel:

Blackwing Descent:
Throne of the Four Winds:
Bastion of Twilight:
Firelands:
Dragon Soul:

Mogu'Shan Vaults:
Heart of Fear:
Terrace of Endless Spring:
Throne of Thunder:
Siege of Orgrimmar:

Highmaul:
Blackrock Foundry:
Hellfire Citadel:

Emerald Nightmare:
Trial of Valor:
Nighthold:
Tomb of Sargeras:
Antorus:

Uldir:

[Blowmeup]

Started playing in BC cleared everything up to Muru pre WotLK patch nerf
Kara: Moroes was hard at the time as it was my first real raid and coordinating all the different abilities was a bit challenging for a brand new raider
SSC: Def Lady Vashj
TK: Kael
MH: I was awful at using tears on Arch. Thank god I was a priest for levitate
BT: Illidan
Sunwell: Muru

Wotlk
Naxx: Lul
VoA: Lul
Ulduar: Alone in the dark then Firefighter. Firefighter might be my favorite boss fight of all time.
TotC: Heroic Anub was brutal the first time trying to keep a group healed as a shadow priest before the 3.4 buffs
ICC: LK but heroic Sind/PP wasnt far behind

BWD: Heroic Nef I guess? None of these really stood out
Throne: Same as above
Bastion: God Cata had some bad early raids
Firelands: Rag
DS: Spine.... By far the worst fight I have ever done.

Panda
MSV:Jan
HoF: Zorlok was just annoying
Terrace: For some reason we struggled on Le Shi
Throne: Le Shien was the last boss I raided competetively for until BFA

Uldir: Only 6/8 Mythic so far but Fetid was pretty hard

[albionesp]

Molten Core: Ragnaros
Blackwing Lair: Chromaggus
AQ20:-
AQ40:-

Karazhan: Netherspite
SSC: Lady Vashj
Tempest Keep: Kael Thas
Mount Hyjal: Archimonde
Black Temple: Reliquary of Souls
Sunwell Plateau: Mu'ru

Naxxramas: 4 Horsemen
VoA: None
Ulduar: Yogg Saron
TotC: Anub'Arak
Icecrown Citadel: Lich King

Blackwing Descent: Chimaeron
Throne of the Four Winds: Alakir
Bastion of Twilight: Siniestra
Firelands: Ragnaros
Dragon Soul: Spine of Deathwing

Mogu'Shan Vaults: Elegon
Heart of Fear: Empress
Terrace of Endless Spring: Sha
Throne of Thunder: Lei Shen
Siege of Orgrimmar: Blackfuse

Highmaul: Imperator
Blackrock Foundry: Black Furnace
Hellfire Citadel: Mannoroth

Emerald Nightmare: Ilgynoth
Trial of Valor: Helya
Nighthold: Star Augur
Tomb of Sargeras: Kiljaeden
Antorus: Aggramar

Uldir: Ghuun

[Temp name]

Icecrown Citadel:LK

Blackwing Descent: Nef
Throne of the Four Winds: Al'akir
Bastion of Twilight: Sinestra
Firelands: Rag
Dragon Soul: Spine. Fuck spine

Mogu'Shan Vaults:Last boss, whatever
Heart of Fear: Queen
Terrace of Endless Spring: Sha
Throne of Thunder: Lei Shen
Siege of Orgrimmar: Garry

Highmaul: High impregnator
Blackrock Foundry: Last boss whatever
Hellfire Citadel: Archi progress, Mannoroth farm

Emerald Nightmare: Cenarius
Trial of Valor: Helya
Nighthold: Gul'dan
Tomb of Sargeras: KJ
Antorus: Argus

Uldir: Ghuun

So basically, with very few exceptions, the last boss in the instance

[ceall]

As sad as it sounds, my personal hardest boss ever was NORMAL horridon (2nd boss in ToT). My guild back then couldn't kill it for 6 weeks straight.

As a result to this, I changed guilds.

[Argorwal]

In the vast majority of cases it is the last or next to last boss for every raid.

[Video Games]

This thread is silly. Its all the final bosses except xavius and mod.

[Durbi]

Karazhan: Nightbane
SSC: Lady Vash
Tempest Keep: Kael'thas
Mount Hyjal: Archimonde
Black Temple: The Illidari Council
Sunwell Plateau: -

Naxxramas: Was any boss hard in WotLK version of Naxxramas? I remember them all being cleared even for our guild within one night.
VoA:
Ulduar: Yog'saron
TotC: Anub'arak
Icecrown Citadel: The Lich King

Blackwing Descent: Nefarian
Throne of the Four Winds: Al'akir
Bastion of Twilight: Cho'gal
Firelands: Ragnaros
Dragon Soul: Spine of Deathwing

Mogu'Shan Vaults: Will of the Emperor
Heart of Fear: Grand Empress Shek'zeer
Terrace of Endless Spring: Sha of Fear
Throne of Thunder: Lei Shen
Siege of Orgrimmar: Garrosh

Highmaul: Imperator Mar'gok
Blackrock Foundry: Blackhand
Hellfire Citadel: Archimonde

Emerald Nightmare: Cenarius
Trial of Valor: Helya
Nighthold: Gul'dan
Tomb of Sargeras: Kil'jaeden
Antorus: Argus

Uldir: G'huun

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This thread is silly. Its all the final bosses except xavius and mod.

Not in every raid. I remember Illidan back in the Black Temple (for our guild) being easier for me than the Illidari Council fight, but for the majority of the raids you are right. It's definitely noticeable after the Mythic raid difficulty. In the older WoW, there were some exceptions, but nowadays the final boss is always the hardest, except when it comes to Xavius.

[Video Games]

Karazhan: Nightbane
SSC: Lady Vash
Tempest Keep: Kael'thas
Mount Hyjal: Archimonde
Black Temple: The Illidari Council
Sunwell Plateau: -

Naxxramas: Was any boss hard in WotLK version of Naxxramas? I remember them all being cleared even for our guild within one night.
VoA:
Ulduar: Yog'saron
TotC: Anub'arak
Icecrown Citadel: The Lich King

Blackwing Descent: Nefarian
Throne of the Four Winds: Al'akir
Bastion of Twilight: Cho'gal
Firelands: Ragnaros
Dragon Soul: Spine of Deathwing

Mogu'Shan Vaults: Will of the Emperor
Heart of Fear: Grand Empress Shek'zeer
Terrace of Endless Spring: Sha of Fear
Throne of Thunder: Lei Shen
Siege of Orgrimmar: Garrosh

Highmaul: Imperator Mar'gok
Blackrock Foundry: Blackhand
Hellfire Citadel: Archimonde

Emerald Nightmare: Cenarius
Trial of Valor: Helya
Nighthold: Gul'dan
Tomb of Sargeras: Kil'jaeden
Antorus: Argus

Uldir: G'huun

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Not in every raid. I remember Illidan back in the Black Temple (for our guild) being easier for me than the Illidari Council fight, but for the majority of the raids you are right. It's definitely noticeable after the Mythic raid difficulty. In the older WoW, there were some exceptions, but nowadays the final boss is always the hardest, except when it comes to Xavius.

I guess i forgot muru was harder than kj in sunwell. Beeeeeeeen soooo loooong

[NehmTH]

I only got to try mythic after xrealm was opened in WoD. My realm had barely enough activity to have 2 mythic guilds in Emerald Nightmare, currently too low pop for any alliance guild to go mythic.

Molten Core: Majordomo Executus
Blackwing Lair: Nefarian
AQ40: Vicsidus

Karazhan: Netherspite
SSC: Vashj
Tempest Keep: Kael

Dragon Soul: Spine

Highmaul: Imperator (did not attempt mythic)
Blackrock Foundry: Blast Furnace
Hellfire Citadel: Mannoroth (experience only after ilvl bump).

Emerald Nightmare: MIl'gynoth

Trial of Valor: HHelya
Nighthold: HGul'dan
Tomb of Sargeras: HKJ
Antorus: HCoven of Shivarra

Uldir: HMythraxx

[Ren009]

Cool thread. I mained Rsham Van-TBC and came back Legion-BFA. My picks:

Molten Core: Rag (Excellent fight but sooo many wipes in P2)
Blackwing Lair: Chromaggus (The affiction changes add a ton of encounter variation. Hard to coordinate 40 ppl to the constant encounter changes per pull)
AQ40: C’Thuun (Chain eye beam + modern mechanics and bugged. Very few guilds downed this boss before Naxx40 release)
Naxx40: Patchwerk (Gear check very very hard to make. Stopped raiding at patch 2.0/tbc near)

Karazhan: Nightbane (Brutal boss)
SSC: Vashj (by far)
Tempest Keep: Kael (by far)
Mount Hyjal: Archimonde (Brutal)
Black Temple: Illidari Council (Very complex fight for the time. Hard to coordinate.)
Sunwell Plateau: Brutallus (Stopped raiding during Felmyst attempts once 3.0+nerfs released)

Emerald Nightmare: Ursoc (Hitting gear check was tough in my old pleb guild/tank getting squished. A lot of wipes here)
Trial of Valor: Helya
Nighthold: Gul’dan (Great and hard end boss)
Tomb of Sargeras: Kil’jaedan (400+ wipes..)
Antorus: Argus (by far.)

Uldir: G’huun (by far)

[Xalvia]

Naxxramas: wotlk version was a pushover literally no hard boss in there
VoA: emalon
Ulduar: yogg+0
TotC: anub
Icecrown Citadel: lotd

Blackwing Descent: nef
Throne of the Four Winds: tbh council 10 man heroic was a bitch
Bastion of Twilight: council
Firelands: rag
Dragon Soul: spine

Mogu'Shan Vaults: emperor
Heart of Fear: shek
Terrace of Endless Spring: sha
Throne of Thunder: lei shen
Siege of Orgrimmar: i thought blackfuse was more challenging than garrosh


Hellfire Citadel: archimonde

Emerald Nightmare: cenarius
Trial of Valor: helya
Nighthold: guldan
Tomb of Sargeras: kil'jaeden
Antorus: antorus

Uldir: ghuun

[Deleted]

interesting responses so far

from my experiences here's my answers:


Ulduar: firefighter
TotC: my guild struggled with faction champions for SO long so i'll say that
Icecrown Citadel: LK

Blackwing Descent: struggled a lot with atramedes pre-nerf but after that i'd say nef
Throne of the Four Winds: al-akir
Bastion of Twilight: cho'gall
Firelands: raggy
Dragon Soul: spine was the hardest overall fight but we strangely actually had the longest roadblock on the boss before on the ship (can't remember its' name)

Mogu'Shan Vaults: elegon
Heart of Fear: amber shaper
Terrace of Endless Spring: lei shi
Throne of Thunder: dark animus was a bitch for progress
Siege of Orgrimmar: quit halfway through mythic progression, from what i remember though paragons of the klaxxi

(based on how difficult they were for me/my guild during relevant not progression, not how hard they were objectively)

[ShaanuJaanu]

Using the Hardest available difficulty..

Molten Core: Rag
Blackwing Lair: Chromag/Nef..although vael was more prone to wipes.
AQ20:Ossirian..Buru was a pain and moam was was straight up nightmare without mana burn classes.
AQ40: C'thun, twin emps were tough too.
Naxx40: Why isnt it listed here? Before you got to Sapphiron..Thaddius/Heigan were pretty rough with lag the computers for that era (I was rocking a Pentium 4 2.0ghz single core and Geforce 3).

Karazhan: Nightbane..shade of aran was fun.
SSC: Vashj
Tempest Keep: Kaelthas
Mount Hyjal: Archimonde
Black Temple: Illidan
Sunwell Plateau: KJ..Brutallus was a good DPS check

Naxxramas: I think none were as hard as the original due to improved hardware etc.
VoA:?
its missing but 3 drake sartharion was not easy.
Ulduar: 0 light or even 1 light was tough.
TotC: 50 attempt Anub was rough.
Icecrown Citadel: Lich King.

Blackwing Descent: Kiting Nef add made me sore.
Throne of the Four Winds: Enclave required more coordination in HM
Bastion of Twilight: Sinestra..al though cho'gal wasnt a pushover either.
Firelands: Def Rag esp in 25..maybe Majordomo in 10 simple due to lack of CDs.
Dragon Soul: Last 2 fights in DS was annoying AF, i dont know if i would classify as tough.

Mogu'Shan Vaults: Will
Heart of Fear: Empress
Terrace of Endless Spring: Sha
Throne of Thunder: Both end bosses were cool...I think Leishan was better fight than Radan.
Siege of Orgrimmar: Paragons were more complex than Garrosh...although they were both good.

Highmaul: Imperator

Stopped playing after that...
Blackrock Foundry: NA
Hellfire Citadel:NA

Came back for Legion
Emerald Nightmare: Def Cenarius
Trial of Valor: Helya
Nighthold: Guldan
Tomb of Sargeras: Def KJ..although avatar and Mistress were def tougher fights than most others in this list)
Antorus: Argus

Uldir: Ghuun

Its kinda interesting going over all of these bosses..blizzard has managed to make most end bosses relevant in each tier.

[Mistaziggla]

Yeah not a very great topic as in most raids the last boss is easily the hardest fight, I feel a better topic would have been favorite bosses for each raid.

[Craaazyyy]

Naxxramas: I think none were as hard as the original due to improved hardware etc.

had nothing to do with hardware.. the raid was just much easier

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

Mogu'Shan Vaults: Elegon
Heart of Fear: Queen
Terrace of Endless Spring: Lei Shi
Throne of Thunder: Lei Shen
Siege of Orgrimmar: Garrosh

Highmaul: High Imperator
Blackrock Foundry: Admiral
Hellfire Citadel: Gorefiend

Emerald Nightmare: Xavius
Trial of Valor: Helya
Nighthold: Tichrondius
Tomb of Sargeras: Kiljaeden
Antorus: Choven

Uldir: Mythrax

[arr0gance]

The only exception I can think where the final boss wasn't the hardest fight in the instance was BoT's Ascendant Council.

Fuck that fight.

Like seriously, fuck that fight. Just fuck it. Completely. Fuck you, Ascendant Council.

e: Sinestra was a more complex fight but the fact that we would intentionally skip AC is proof enough. I mean fuck, we still didn't do it when we came back to steamroll the instance at the end of the expansion.

[Muajin76]

Marriage raid...hardest fight is simple.

[Deleted]

Molten Core:Ragnaros
Blackwing Lair:Vaelastrasz
AQ20:
AQ40:Twin Emperors

SSC:Vashj
Tempest Keep:Kael'thas
Mount Hyjal:Archimonde
Black Temple:
Sunwell Plateau:Muru

Ulduar:Freyja Knockx3
TotC:Anubarak
Icecrown Citadel:LK

Blackwing Descent:Nefarian
Throne of the Four Winds:Alakir
Bastion of Twilight:Ascendent Council
Firelands:Ragnaros
Dragon Soul:Spine

Mogu'Shan Vaults:Spirit Kings
Heart of Fear:Zorlok
Terrace of Endless Spring:Sha
Throne of Thunder: Lei Shen
Siege of Orgrimmar: Paragons

Highmaul:Mar'gok
Blackrock Foundry:Blast Furnace
Hellfire Citadel:Archimonde

Emerald Nightmare:Ilgynoth
Trial of Valor:Helya
Nighthold:Gul'dan
Tomb of Sargeras:Kil'jaeden
Antorus:Aggramar

Uldir:G'huun