Anduin hate is unjustified.. totally

[Beloren]

The hate on this forums for him is ridiculous, as a hordie, I quite like that warcraft has a character like Anduin.

Why can't someone be virtuous, wise AND young. What is so hard to believe about that.. It is exceptionally rare, but it happens, and is exactly the sort of person that should be a leader. I would prefer a young "buck" like him to an old fog like Malfurion anyway.

It is also exceedingly rare in fantasy for humans, so it is actually refreshing to get. Yet emo/edgy kids just hate on it, and are the same ones who cry out that good characters are boring, so when evil edge lords are the norm, what are they complaining about now?

It's good to be good.

Anduin is cool.

Don't you dare make him an idiot or super naive blizzard - you pander to the stereotype that good people are naiive and easily manipulated, there are some incredibly virtuous/righteous types who are not naive at all and are near impossible to be manipulated because they are actually wise and very disciplined.

[Mardux]

What I insist on is this. There is nothing wrong with Anduin. The problem is the story. As a character, he works well. The problem is the story never giving him actual consequences. But that's not on him, it's on the story Blizzard is telling. Lore, Narrative, Characters are three separate elements that make a world. Judge them separately.

This. I mean... Dude is crushed by a giant fucking bell. But doesn't even get a limp, instead they give him a superpower.

[Darkeon]

Anduin is a character. And that's okay for him to be the way he is.

How the story is told and weaved in relation to him and others around him, however, leave a lot to be desired.

[Kyphael]

This. I mean... Dude is crushed by a giant fucking bell. But doesn't even get a limp, instead they give him a superpower.

And that's why people dislike him, because he comes off as an over-powered, ideally-perfect Gary Stu, except... he's not because he's not even a competent leader. So he's this morally flawless, physically-perfect character with a seemingly infinite fountain of faith-based power, yet he either doesn't know how to channel/use it, or won't because of his ideals. It's like Superman. He has the capacity to solve all the world's problems if he chose to, or applied himself, and yet he doesn't/won't due to inexperience or naiveté. It's difficult even to pin him down as a character and critique him, that's how inconsistent the writing is presently with WoW.

[prwraith]

Eh the quality of writing surrounding Anduin is what I've come to expect.

[Eggroll]

Well, as a nelf fan I can only say Anduin can die in a fire for all I care.

But yeah, he is badly written. Just like .... almost every other character. It just doesn't make sense to write him as naive and helpless. He's been a royal heir for all his life. As we know from the story, being a student of Velen, he's also talented and smart, reckless in MoP, etc.

His personality in BfA is written like in a vacuum, as if the writers completely disregarded his developement since Vanilla. Stupid.

[Sluvs]

What I would like to see is some consequences to his actions. Alienate the NE? Well, Tyrande refuses to offer support to him in the last battle. IMO, he is largely a reactionary character too, and that is also a problem. He does not need to suffer because of his naïveté, but he does need to take responsibility for it somehow.

[Varodoc]

He has the potential to be a more flawed character. He is basically a pacifist who wants to end the war with as few casualties as possible (he mostly just wants Sylvanas dead). It would be interesting to see how he would interact with the more "radical" part of the Alliance. Many night elves should certainly seek the annihilation of the Horde, so we could have this grey conflict within the Alliance in which Anduin seeks to shut off the kaldorei. He wouldn't do so in an extreme and evil way like, say, Sylvanas did with Baine or Garrosh did with Vol'jin. No, instead he'd try to be more subtle, but at the same time attempt to silence these radicals to the common population. Blizzard could show how Anduin's desire for peace is making him think that he knows what's best for the Alliance and that the opinion of the more radical members of the Alliance, who are indeed entitle to more than just a miserable peace treaty, shouldn't even be heard by the common population, merely because it could eventually spread havoc, mistrust, doubt. And so to ensure that the unity of the Alliance is ensured, Anduin would go as far as censor/silence people. He would act in a tyrannical way, but it would be more subtle than Garrosh or Sylvanas.

I truly believe that Anduin can be a very interesting character. Even a morally grey character. I even have a theory that he played both Saurfang and Sylvanas and that he is now plotting to annihilate the Horde leadership in the upcoming Battle of Thunder Bluff and ensure a lasting victory for the Alliance. A sort of "Red Wedding"-type scenario, but that's another matter entirely. Either way, Anduin has a lot of potential to be a compelling and flawed character, whose strong desire for peace and justice starts clouding his judgement.

[Fetus Rex]

Anduin is a beta boy pussy, the ultimate cuck who shouldn't be anyhere near position of power. With old Greymane leading Alliance we would have fresh steaks from Mulgore every day and orcs would make carpets.

[Maljinwo]

The problem ain't Anduin
Is how Blizzard makes everything around him bend to his human potential

[Rydanis]

The fact that no one ever seems to react to the things Anduin does makes him a bizarre character to watch. Like in MoP he went off on his own, got literally crushed, and it didn't really affect anything. He attacks Undercity? Great, he's doing things! But it feels super weird when Sylvanas then goes after everyone BUT him. That doesn't feel realistic, it feels like the writers are just treating him with kid gloves and the story is being forced. Even after that, Tyrande was furious that he didn't support their efforts in taking back Darkshore, but absolutely nothing came of him insulting the Kaldorei.

It feels like the writers just aren't sure where to go with him. We saw him let Saurfang go, wouldn't the logical thing be to have HIM help rescue Baine instead of Jaina purely from a storytelling standpoint? Or have him there with her? Why has he been SO absent from the story?

[Lochton]

Anduin is a beta boy pussy, the ultimate cuck who shouldn't be anyhere near position of power. With old Greymane leading Alliance we would have fresh steaks from Mulgore every day and orcs would make carpets.

And it is comments like this that doesn't understand the story weaved around the characters. Genn knew from the first week he was seeking out Varian, that he was not to be the High King - even after Varian fell.

[Beloren]

He has the potential to be a more flawed character. He is basically a pacifist who wants to end the war with as few casualties as possible (he mostly just wants Sylvanas dead). It would be interesting to see how he would interact with the more "radical" part of the Alliance. Many night elves should certainly seek the annihilation of the Horde, so we could have this grey conflict within the Alliance in which Anduin seeks to shut off the kaldorei. He wouldn't do so in an extreme and evil way like, say, Sylvanas did with Baine or Garrosh did with Vol'jin. No, instead he'd try to be more subtle, but at the same time attempt to silence these radicals to the common population. Blizzard could show how Anduin's desire for peace is making him think that he knows what's best for the Alliance and that the opinion of the more radical members of the Alliance, who are indeed entitle to more than just a miserable peace treaty, shouldn't even be heard by the common population, merely because it could eventually spread havoc, mistrust, doubt. And so to ensure that the unity of the Alliance is ensured, Anduin would go as far as censor/silence people. He would act in a tyrannical way, but it would be more subtle than Garrosh or Sylvanas.

I truly believe that Anduin can be a very interesting character. Even a morally grey character. I even have a theory that he played both Saurfang and Sylvanas and that he is now plotting to annihilate the Horde leadership in the upcoming Battle of Thunder Bluff and ensure a lasting victory for the Alliance. A sort of "Red Wedding"-type scenario, but that's another matter entirely. Either way, Anduin has a lot of potential to be a compelling and flawed character, whose strong desire for peace and justice starts clouding his judgement.

Why would you want him to be morally grey though? What's wrong with him being virtuous and actually consistent at it.

[Varodoc]

Why would you want him to be morally grey though? What's wrong with him being virtuous and actually consistent at it.

Because I absolutely love morally grey characters. Also someone can still try to be virtuous while at the same time doing questionable things.

[Beloren]

And it is comments like this that doesn't understand the story weaved around the characters. Genn knew from the first week he was seeking out Varian, that he was not to be the High King - even after Varian fell.

Good question, why wasn't greymane made high king? And why does the alliance need a high king anyway? Surely races like Draenei and night elves are just humouring them at the concept A human rule the draenei or the elveS?

[McNeil]

I never really cared for Anduin. He should have died at least a couple of times due to his recklessness in MoP, like getting kidnapped by the Horde and facing off Garrosh which he survived due to some major plot armor that even GoT characters against the White Walkers would be jealous off. Varian felt like a much better character in comparison.

[Lochton]

It feels like the writers just aren't sure where to go with him. We saw him let Saurfang go, wouldn't the logical thing be to have HIM help rescue Baine instead of Jaina purely from a storytelling standpoint? Or have him there with her? Why has he been SO absent from the story?

Oh, I understand your feelings on this but I'm quite sure they used Jaina because she had a connection with Baine.

[Beloren]

Because I like morally grey characters. Also someone can still try to be virtuous while at the same time doing questionable things.

But is'nt htat everyone in wow anyway? Isn't it nice to get purely good character for a change?

[Justpassing]

People hate goody-two-shoes characters beacuse they are so dark, edgy and totally wounded inside.

[Super Dickmann]

Anduin is awful not because he's peaceful or good but because he has no flaws that have any narrative weight. You can talk about his fuck-ups until the cows come home but no one ever brings them up and the narrative treats him like a perfect saint with his every failure being the result of other people being too evil for his immaculate heart to bear. Anyone who opposes him either becomes his clone or turns into an evil cartoon and dies. He's a narrative black hole.