What about TBC do you think people will be most surprised by?

[MiiiMiii]

For me:

1. People will really hate doing Hyjal. The trash mobs takes forever.
2. People will be surprised how little preparation is needed for being a raider. If you are geared and in a raiding guild, with enough gold for your raid flasks/pots, you can pretty much be a raid logger. I am not saying that is a bad thing.

[Prag]

1. Yes, you should have leveled that Druid.

2. Yes, the classes are that simple.

3. v1 of anything sucks, Arena included.

4. Time actually just disappears in Outland.

[Akka]

2. People will be surprised how little preparation is needed for being a raider. If you are geared and in a raiding guild, with enough gold for your raid flasks/pots, you can pretty much be a raid logger. I am not saying that is a bad thing.

You don't even need gold for flasks at T4, they are obtainable for next to free at the Aldor/Scryer quartermaster.

[Nosnogard]

You don't even need gold for flasks at T4, they are obtainable for next to free at the Aldor/Scryer quartermaster.

Don't they require Marks of the Illidari or something like that? Which is from T5/T6 or something? My memory is a little hazy

Edit: I assume you're talking about these flasks bought with said item:
https://www.wowhead.com/item=32897/m...i#currency-for

[Kralljin]

You don't even need gold for flasks at T4, they are obtainable for next to free at the Aldor/Scryer quartermaster.

I think you are referring to the Mark of the Illidari flasks?
Those Marks only drop in T5 content onwards and are only useable in T5 and onwards raids, hence they are neither useable nor obtainable during Phase one.

They also require exalted Aldor / Scryer, Sha'tari & Cenarion Expedition, not saying this is a gamebreaking requirement but you just as a headups.
There were some Unstable Flasks that you could acquire in Blade's edge that work in Gruul's lair, but those were added with 2.1, so it's unlikely they will be in at launch.

Needless to say, Flasks for T4 will still be a pain because it's going to be a wild mix of using Classic flasks and TBC flasks.
And Melees will be using Elixir of demonslaying a lot in Karazhan / Magtheridon's Lair anyway...so there's that.

[Oneru]

The impact of the "bring the class, not the player"-philosophy that is important for certain fights in TBC progression. Not looking forward to benching my good players and bringing others because "we just need that extra shaman here" or whatever.

[Paulosio]

For me:

1. People will really hate doing Hyjal. The trash mobs takes forever.
2. People will be surprised how little preparation is needed for being a raider. If you are geared and in a raiding guild, with enough gold for your raid flasks/pots, you can pretty much be a raid logger. I am not saying that is a bad thing.

Definitely agree about Mount Hyjal. I played a hunter and my job was to kite a trash mob from each trash wave all the way around the area in order to aggro the NPCS to help us. A few months into the raid it was more tedious than anything I can remember in WOW.

With the consumables thing I suppose it depends what tuning state things are in but blizzard has said they plan on going with the none nerfed versions of bosses initially. I remember that when my guild was first raiding Magtheridon it felt massively overtuned (including the small packs of 3 trash mobs on the way down to the boss which had a very short respawn time). Of course players are better these days and will also probalby have more stacked raid compositions.

The ammount of consumables you could have applied to yourself at the start of the xpac was insane. There was none of this 1 combat elixir / defensive elixir or a flask nonsense. I had flask, agility elixir, mongoose elixir (from previous xpac), mageblood elixir (hp regen) mana oil and probably a bunch of other stuff I don't remember. I'm not saying this would be necessary for today's raiders but then again most of the things players were doing in classic with world buffs and raid flasking wasn't necessary but people were still expected to do it in many guilds.

[Akka]

Don't they require Marks of the Illidari or something like that? Which is from T5/T6 or something? My memory is a little hazy

Edit: I assume you're talking about these flasks bought with said item:
https://www.wowhead.com/item=32897/m...i#currency-for

I think you are referring to the Mark of the Illidari flasks?
Those Marks only drop in T5 content onwards and are only useable in T5 and onwards raids, hence they are neither useable nor obtainable during Phase one.

They also require exalted Aldor / Scryer, Sha'tari & Cenarion Expedition, not saying this is a gamebreaking requirement but you just as a headups.
There were some Unstable Flasks that you could acquire in Blade's edge that work in Gruul's lair, but those were added with 2.1, so it's unlikely they will be in at launch.

Needless to say, Flasks for T4 will still be a pain because it's going to be a wild mix of using Classic flasks and TBC flasks.
And Melees will be using Elixir of demonslaying a lot in Karazhan / Magtheridon's Lair anyway...so there's that.

I think I was mixing up different things - flasks obtainable in Shattrath and the flasks obtained with apexis crystals and only working in Blade Edge Mountains (so not for Karazhan nor Magtheridon).

Regardless, the best flask is still just 120 AP. That's certainly significant, but less than what a single WB provide, and in an expansion with overall higher stat. So while flasks will give a definite edge and can significantly skew the parses, they'll still be much less impactful than the WB bonanza we endured in Classic, and only required for tryhard or real hardcore guilds. I'm certainly not going to bother with them until we have some trouble during progression.

And starting from T5, the flasks buyable with marks becomes available, so that's basically free flasks each raid.

[Heathy]

elixir masters were a thing, pretty sure one of the first procs I had was a x10 or something stupid like that. or just getting 2x 2x 2x 2x in a row. this is one of the reasons as to the why it was easier.

[intenz]

I think they'll be surprised by how one-dimensional arena is; ie play warrior/druid or warlock/druid or you lose.

[Rucati]

Probably when they queue arenas and get matched against Warrior/RDruid/Disc Priest in 3s.

People talk about TBC arenas fondly, and rightly so in some regards, but I think people forget how prominent double healer Warrior was, and how miserably boring it is to fight with no dampening or anything to slow it down.

[Afrospinach]

elixir masters were a thing, pretty sure one of the first procs I had was a x10 or something stupid like that. or just getting 2x 2x 2x 2x in a row. this is one of the reasons as to the why it was easier.

I am pretty sure x6 or x5 is the max.

[Heathy]

yeah it must have been wrath that they upped the proc, but it did proc quite frequently, if someone asks you to make 10 flasks your pretty much guaranteed to get more than 10.

I dunno what will be most surprising, I'm weary of that initial dungeon grind, there are 15 dungeons in bc (16 with mgt eventually)

running the dungeons in classic was fun but there aren't many you need to do that often, for BC, doing all 15 dungeons twice is 30 runs, doing them in heroic etc etc. oof its a grind I think I suppressed mentally.

[ryjkur]

Hard AF raids. People mocked Classic raids but in reality AQ40/Naxx were close to impossible without world buffs. This time around we don't have world buffs so we'll see only <1% clearing Sunwell again.

[guisadop]

I used to love Hyjal.

[3L00DStrike]

Hard AF raids. People mocked Classic raids but in reality AQ40/Naxx were close to impossible without world buffs. This time around we don't have world buffs so we'll see only <1% clearing Sunwell again.

Hahahahaha.

Oh it wasnt a joke?

[Thelxi]

I don't think much will surprise them. If they made it through vanilla and enjoyed it, TBC is mostly just an overall improvement. It's also been played on private servers for years and years and years.

[Waltzinblack]

Hard AF raids. People mocked Classic raids but in reality AQ40/Naxx were close to impossible without world buffs. This time around we don't have world buffs so we'll see only <1% clearing Sunwell again.

You do realise we just had Classic vanilla and Naxx/AQ40 were both easy as fuck right?

[Viikkis]

It's also been played on private servers for years and years and years.

But out of the three different classic game versions for some reason TBC is the most broken one. Vanilla and Wrath got pretty nice quality behind them but there was always a huge demand for a quality TBC experience and now classic will finally deliver it.

[potis]

Its gonna be a repeat of classic.

You will them to roll Warrior/Druid (mostly) for arena, they will roll something else, complain warriors are stunlocking them.

You will tell them not to roll mana battery spec, they will roll mana battery spec, complain about it, getting outdpsed and only picked to provide mana to the healers (As intended).

Do you want to dominate for the first half of the expansion? Roll Warrior/Rogue, do you want to dominate the later part? Roll Warlock/Hunter, nope, rolled Boomkin, complains.

I couldnt give a rats ass about TBC, but i wont lie i enjoy reading the insane amount of dumb information the same way it was about classic 2 years ago, people never, ever, learn.

Either way, they are delaying SSC/TK, so the start of TBC classic might not be as horrible for any class that doesnt have a craftable blacksmithing weapon compared to 2007.