Will the Lightforged and Void Elves become the new "Main Force" of the Alliance?

[Varodoc]

This seems a logical conclusion to come to.

Since Turalyon will fully assume the role of High King in 10.0, can we expect his Army of the Light to "replace" Stormwind Army, so to say, as the main leading force of the Alliance?

When Varian returned as High King in WotLK, the Dwarves were kicked out of the spotlight they shared with Humans and Stormwind became the sole leading force of the Alliance. People constantly joke about "Empire of Stormwind" because right now the Alliance does feel like it.

In the Horde, when Vol'jin became Warchief at the end of MoP, I remember seeing a lot more Darkspear forces in WoD. When Sylvanas became Warchief in Legion, the Forsaken stepped out of the shadows and became the main leading force of the Horde.

Is it thus not reasonable to assume that, going forward, the "Human Potential" and "Empire of Stormwind" memes will finally die, and at long last we'll see new faces leading the Alliance? Since the Army of the Light is an army of Draenei and Turalyon, for all intents and purposes, is a Draenei weeb.

A note on the Void elves, here I have two points to raise:

- Alleria Windrunner is the wife of Turalyon, which would make her "High Queen", in practice if not in name;

- Alleria in-game is located in the War Room next to the Throne Room, where Turalyon rules. We can thus reasonably infer that Alleria will play the role of "Secondary Main leader" in 10.0, as Turalyon's chief advisor, which justifies Blizzard putting her so close to him.

And thus, can we also not reasonably conclude that the Ren'dorei will also become a new leading force of the Alliance? Especially with all the talk about revamping Quel'Thalas, which we know is the prized objective of the Ren'dorei (they seek to bring Quel'Thalas back into the Alliance). As recently as the Eastern Kingdom exploration book, which Canonically takes place after the Fourth War, Mathias Shaw noted that Alleria Windrunner is certain that Quel'Thalas will stand with the Alliance again. And so it would make sense to feature the Ren'dorei in a leading position, no longer a minor allied race.

Either way, to cite another thread on the frontpage, it seems like Blizzard has finally found the way to make the Alliance more popular and interesting. It's not exactly a secret that most people are tired of the oversaturated Human component of the Alliance, so I really hope that going forward the Lightforged and the Void elves will kick Humans out of the spotlight and become the new "leading/main forces", so to say, of the Alliance.

Which means that we might see a lot more NPCs of these races in the future, I am ready in both body and mind ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[czarek]

That would be nice twist tbh. Horde were lead by troll and undead as original orc leadership. May its time for some Alliance changes.

[Varodoc]

That would be nice twist tbh. Horde were lead by troll and undead as original orc leadership. May its time for some Alliance changes.

Agreed.

And as a side note, it is such a shame that Void elves don't get much traction here, I wonder why threads about Forsaken and Night elves always blow up, but threads about the current allied races rarely do

[VinceVega]

Doubt it. Turalyon and Alleria are ther because they are big lore figures.

The respective "races" are and probably will be ignored as always.
They can't even handle the little bit of story the nightelves get once in a while. Dwarves... exist i guess? Gnomes. lol.

Blizzard is doing nothing with races other than generate soldiers who do nothing. The only story we get is completly focused on the faction leaders.

So Turalyon and Alleria yes but other than seeing the odd lightforged soldier or void elve mage... doubt it.

[Synvanas]

And thus, can we also not reasonably conclude that the Ren'dorei will also become a new leading force of the Alliance? Especially with all the talk about revamping Quel'Thalas, which we know is the prized objective of the Ren'dorei (they seek to bring Quel'Thalas back into the Alliance). As recently as the Eastern Kingdom exploration book, which Canonically takes place after the Fourth War, Mathias Shaw noted that Alleria Windrunner is certain that Quel'Thalas will stand with the Alliance again. And so it would make sense to feature the Ren'dorei in a leading position, no longer a minor allied race.

Shaw also dismissed it pretty quickly though, by saying that it could just be a distant hope for Alleria, like the hope of the Lordaeron survivors to reclaim and restore the old Kingdom of Lordaeron, or more likely, it's just the insane whispers or visions of a Void Lord granted to her, like the one in the Three Sister comics about Alleria having the royal right to claim the throne of Silvermoon. Shaw also says he will personally keep an eye on Alleria to keep her in check as he doesn't completely trust her in this regard because she's recently changed quite a lot as a person (alongside Turalyon too), so it's possible even if the Ren'dorei try to make a power move for Quel'thalas against the Sin'dorei, they will not get a lot of support from the Humans or from the majority of the other Alliance races anyway. So it will not be a major invasion to force the Sin'dorei to surrender to the Alliance or leave Quel'thalas like the one against Undercity in BfA anyway (especially because Blizzard recently said they are not going to make a new faction war anytime soon)

So the Ren'dorei will make their move but it will likely be just a minor operation (maybe just spying on the Sin'dorei activities), also their objective of bringing Quel'thalas back to the Alliance is secondary compared to their study and research of the Void to help the Alliance, it's more of a personal wish of Alleria and Umbric, and they already have a new homeland for themselves in Telogrus' Rift after all. Maybe the Ren'dorei will just replace the hostile Kaldorei Sentinel spies NPCs in the Ghostlands in a possible future update of Quel'thalas though, that much would make sense I guess.

[uuuhname]

it would be about as close as the allies get to being even vaguely morally gray, so that's never going to happen.

[loras]

This seems a logical conclusion to come to.

Since Turalyon will fully assume the role of High King in 10.0, can we expect his Army of the Light to "replace" Stormwind Army, so to say, as the main leading force of the Alliance?

When Varian returned as High King in WotLK, the Dwarves were kicked out of the spotlight they shared with Humans and Stormwind became the sole leading force of the Alliance. People constantly joke about "Empire of Stormwind" because right now the Alliance does feel like it.

In the Horde, when Vol'jin became Warchief at the end of MoP, I remember seeing a lot more Darkspear forces in WoD. When Sylvanas became Warchief in Legion, the Forsaken stepped out of the shadows and became the main leading force of the Horde.

Is it thus not reasonable to assume that, going forward, the "Human Potential" and "Empire of Stormwind" memes will finally die, and at long last we'll see new faces leading the Alliance? Since the Army of the Light is an army of Draenei and Turalyon, for all intents and purposes, is a Draenei weeb.

A note on the Void elves, here I have two points to raise:

- Alleria Windrunner is the wife of Turalyon, which would make her "High Queen", in practice if not in name;

- Alleria in-game is located in the War Room next to the Throne Room, where Turalyon rules. We can thus reasonably infer that Alleria will play the role of "Secondary Main leader" in 10.0, as Turalyon's chief advisor, which justifies Blizzard putting her so close to him.

And thus, can we also not reasonably conclude that the Ren'dorei will also become a new leading force of the Alliance? Especially with all the talk about revamping Quel'Thalas, which we know is the prized objective of the Ren'dorei (they seek to bring Quel'Thalas back into the Alliance). As recently as the Eastern Kingdom exploration book, which Canonically takes place after the Fourth War, Mathias Shaw noted that Alleria Windrunner is certain that Quel'Thalas will stand with the Alliance again. And so it would make sense to feature the Ren'dorei in a leading position, no longer a minor allied race.

Either way, to cite another thread on the frontpage, it seems like Blizzard has finally found the way to make the Alliance more popular and interesting. It's not exactly a secret that most people are tired of the oversaturated Human component of the Alliance, so I really hope that going forward the Lightforged and the Void elves will kick Humans out of the spotlight and become the new "leading/main forces", so to say, of the Alliance.

Which means that we might see a lot more NPCs of these races in the future, I am ready in both body and mind ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm not sure either one (or the both together) has the numbers to be anything but sidekicks, lorewise.

That said they could indeed feature more prominently to leverage their popularity.

[Varodoc]

Doubt it. Turalyon and Alleria are ther because they are big lore figures.

The respective "races" are and probably will be ignored as always.
They can't even handle the little bit of story the nightelves get once in a while. Dwarves... exist i guess? Gnomes. lol.

Blizzard is doing nothing with races other than generate soldiers who do nothing. The only story we get is completly focused on the faction leaders.

So Turalyon and Alleria yes but other than seeing the odd lightforged soldier or void elve mage... doubt it.

So do you think we'll still see Turalyon clad in Lightforged Draenei armour leading the medieval footmen of Stormwind? I'd hate that aesthetically.

Draenei should get more screentime now that Turalyon leads the Alliance, if they don't, then it's ultimate proof that Blizzard doesn't care about the Alliance at all. They finally have the opportunity to develop non-Human races. They can finally flesh-out the Army of the Light, plenty of people complain that the Golden Army was just some throng of survivors in Legion, now they can flesh-out the Army and make it bigger and more varied (maybe they can even introduced Lightforged Demons, other than Lothraxion, by taking inspiration from various fan works).

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I'm not sure either one (or the both together) has the numbers to be anything but sidekicks, lorewise.

That said they could indeed feature more prominently to leverage their popularity.

Blizzard doesn't care about numbers, they can asspull all the numbers they want, that's not a concern I have.

The Darkspears for example were just an insignificant little tribe, but they apparently have enough numbers to lead a frontal attack of Orgrimmar and get slaughtered, and still come out of it just fine.

What matters is that Storywise they have introduced a plot point (Turalyon becoming High King) that allows them to finally develop other sides of the Alliance. For instance, we have seen that the Lightforged are battle-hardened veterans of an interdimensional space war, but in BfA they barely did anything, aside from fighting some orcs in Drustvar. What if Blizzard replaced Stormwind with the Lightforged Army, wouldn't that make the Alliance cooler? I'd definitely like to see more of the super-advanced mechs and space warriors than the overused medieval footman who still wields a bow when we have the fucking Vindicaar.

[Ersula]

And as a side note, it is such a shame that Void elves don't get much traction here, I wonder why threads about Forsaken and Night elves always blow up, but threads about the current allied races rarely do

The Light & Void uniting the current leadership of the Alliance would be a fitting parallel with Lorethemar & Thalyssria becoming the Horde's power-couple, representing the Sun and Moon.

I call that this would the dichotomy that we'd return to post-shadowlands in 9.0 & Anduin effectively retiring from the alliance seems to cement that.

[Dellis0991]

If I gotta choose I rather have Anduin in charge because if a incursion of the light scenario happens then it would happen with Turalyon in charge and I can see him gutting the rank and file and attempting to indoctrinate anybody that ain't drunk the piss colored Kool-Aid. I don't like the hentai elves but they would probably be the one who would save the day in the end.

Also I hope yall ready for PTSD Anduin.

[Aucald]

Also I hope yall ready for PTSD Anduin.

He's going to be a whiny sadsack, isn't he? Moping around the palace, drunk on Stormwind Tawny, waxing lyrical about his time in the Shadowlands to anyone that'll listen.

[Ersula]

Also I hope yall ready for PTSD Anduin.

I'm hoping removing him from the position of king is simply because he's too peace-loving to head an army, and works better as a neutral figure, and not because they want to make him angsty because, really why? He didn't do anything while the Jailer controlled him besides lightly injuring the Archon. Having him be torn up about that would be dumb.

Although he & Sylvanas having a priviledge-off in the novel was really funny. And shows how much of chip he has on his shoulder for his own personal self-pity party.

[scrappybristol]

Even if the Lightforged become the backbone of the Alliance, there will still be a human in charge.

[Ersula]

Even if the Lightforged become the backbone of the Alliance, there will still be a human in charge.

Turalyon is the leader of the Lightforged. So, obviously.

[Dellis0991]

Turalyon is the leader of the Lightforged. So, obviously.

Human potential gold edition

[Vakir]

The poll wording is very nuanced and fair, gotta say.

Human potential gold edition

This. Turalyon should rep the humans to avoid exactly this problem. The Lightforged leader in terms of character exposure should be someone else. Otherwise we don't fix the problem of jerking off the humans all the time.

[loras]

So do you think we'll still see Turalyon clad in Lightforged Draenei armour leading the medieval footmen of Stormwind? I'd hate that aesthetically.

Draenei should get more screentime now that Turalyon leads the Alliance, if they don't, then it's ultimate proof that Blizzard doesn't care about the Alliance at all. They finally have the opportunity to develop non-Human races. They can finally flesh-out the Army of the Light, plenty of people complain that the Golden Army was just some throng of survivors in Legion, now they can flesh-out the Army and make it bigger and more varied (maybe they can even introduced Lightforged Demons, other than Lothraxion, by taking inspiration from various fan works).

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Blizzard doesn't care about numbers, they can asspull all the numbers they want, that's not a concern I have.

The Darkspears for example were just an insignificant little tribe, but they apparently have enough numbers to lead a frontal attack of Orgrimmar and get slaughtered, and still come out of it just fine.

What matters is that Storywise they have introduced a plot point (Turalyon becoming High King) that allows them to finally develop other sides of the Alliance. For instance, we have seen that the Lightforged are battle-hardened veterans of an interdimensional space war, but in BfA they barely did anything, aside from fighting some orcs in Drustvar. What if Blizzard replaced Stormwind with the Lightforged Army, wouldn't that make the Alliance cooler? I'd definitely like to see more of the super-advanced mechs and space warriors than the overused medieval footman who still wields a bow when we have the fucking Vindicaar.

I think that very few would care to see the power rangers take over the Alliance t.b.h., it just fits really poorly with the rest of warcraft. Spacetechmagic is better left to Warhammer, which, while popular, still pales next to warcraft. Which tells you enough about that sort of stuff.

Not saying i'm against other races getting a bigger role, but keep the spacegoat power rangers a nice place in the warehouse of forgotten mistakes.

Better to introduce true variety; mixed dwarven legions / shooters / shamans, gnomish mechs and artillery, elven magi, a few draenei paladins, worgen rogues, a few panda monks, varied humans (kul tirans, skinny and normal), etc.

And if you really want classic cool, go for the vrykul.

[Varodoc]

I think that very few would care to see the power rangers take over the Alliance t.b.h., it just fits really poorly with the rest of warcraft. Spacetechmagic is better left to Warhammer, which, while popular, still pales next to warcraft. Which tells you enough about that sort of stuff.

You say this, and yet one of the most frequent complaints back in BfA is that the Vindicaar was never used.

[Raisei]

Mhm hmm, it is quite likely that you are correct. Void Elves and Lightforged also are pretty much the most powerful groups left at this time. Well, IF Blizzard remembers that there is this space ship with a laser that could have turned Orgrimmar into dust. But even without that if Void and Light work together like this, very few enemies will be able to stand up to them. The duo of Alleria and Turalyon is quite formidable.

Personally I am just afraid of what Danuser will do... maybe since he parked his old waifu in the Maw for later use he will get his paws on Alleria now... *shudder*

Human potential gold edition

And who would you prefer? Mecha-Mechatorque? Aysa (lol)? Velen that hasn't lifted a finger in the last 3 years?

The best characters of the Alliance simply are humans (or close enough in Genn's case), it's just how it is, that doesn't make them bad characters. If it bothers you so much, the Horde with all it's monsters is right over there.

Personally I would like to see Alleria as High Queen of the Void and Alliance, but Stormwind might not be ready for that. Turalyon and Genn probably have the best chances to be accepted by the nobility (which apparently is a big deal, even though we never see those nobles).

Tyrande is probably busy with interior decorating in her new home. She after all has to find something that she puts at the place where she had planned to keep Sylvanas' head.

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You say this, and yet one of the most frequent complaints back in BfA is that the Vindicaar was never used.

And rightly so. It was simply "forgotten" because it would have decided the faction war very quickly, which is simply bad writing. Don't introduce tools if you know they will be too powerful for future use. Every D&D GM knows this simple rule.

[loras]

You say this, and yet one of the most frequent complaints back in BfA is that the Vindicaar was never used.

That has less to do with the power rangers and more to do with inconsistent storytelling.

Bit weird not to account for the OP spaceship in a war srtting, no?
Honestly they should have had the horde sabotage it in the war, or sent it off on an interdimensional errand before the war.

They could still retcon in that last bit i suppose.