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    I could see an Evoker class

    Initially I thought the Evoker would probably be too similar to a Mage, and it probably will be somewhat similar. But looking at concept art like that of Dragoncaller Alanna, I got to say, I can see the class coming together.

    When you look at the picture, you can see the dragon she is summoning is actually one made of fire. The idea of summoning dragons was a bit too weird to me, but if they are dragons made of fire or ice, that charge at the enemy as part of an attack, similar to the Phoenix spell from Mages, I can see that as a new class.

    Also the lore apparently has now been retconned to dragons being elementals. With that, it makes even more sense, that an Evoker would use elemental magic and call on elemental dragons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragoncaller Alanna View Post
    Also the lore apparently has now been retconned to dragons being elementals. With that, it makes even more sense, that an Evoker would use elemental magic and call on elemental dragons.
    Wait, what? Did I miss something here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gehco View Post
    Wait, what? Did I miss something here?
    It's something from Chronicles. And it's not about dragons as we know them, but ancient proto-dragons which, according to Chronicles, were once elementals who weren't bound to the elemental planes and gradually evolved into flesh-and-blood creatures.

    As far as I'm aware, there's no prior information about the actual origins of proto-dragons, so I don't think this is actually a retcon of anything, and is just... lore, from Chronicles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CalamityHeart View Post
    It's something from Chronicles. And it's not about dragons as we know them, but ancient proto-dragons which, according to Chronicles, were once elementals who weren't bound to the elemental planes and gradually evolved into flesh-and-blood creatures.

    As far as I'm aware, there's no prior information about the actual origins of proto-dragons, so I don't think this is actually a retcon of anything, and is just... lore, from Chronicles.
    Ah, explains, I don't have the Chronicles books.

    Guess that wouldn't make them be elementals but stem from them, calling them elementals is like calling Night Elves for Trolls then.

    Thanks for filling in that gap then.
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    Evoker is just "Mage." Perhaps a posh term for "Arcane Mage."

    EDIT: Their is a Mage PvP set in TBC called "Evoker's Silk Set" so...
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    I never post here, but I decided to finally log in just to say how shitty of an idea this is and how god-awful the WoW community is at coming up with UNIQUE class ideas. I see people calling for Necromancers when we already have unholy death knights. I see people calling for Blademasters when we already have things called warriors. I now see people calling for mages with a different name, "Evoker." In what world is this a good or unique idea? I swear this sub/community has the least creative people on planet Earth.

    Tinkers are a good idea, they use tech which is something not a single class does so far. A dragonsworn class is a good idea. A bard is a good idea. A sand-based/time class is a good idea.

    This, however, is garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bryden7 View Post
    I never post here, but I decided to finally log in just to say how shitty of an idea this is and how god-awful the WoW community is at coming up with UNIQUE class ideas. I see people calling for Necromancers when we already have unholy death knights. I see people calling for Blademasters when we already have things called warriors. I now see people calling for mages with a different name, "Evoker." In what world is this a good or unique idea? I swear this sub/community has the least creative people on planet Earth.

    Tinkers are a good idea, they use tech which is something not a single class does so far. A dragonsworn class is a good idea. A bard is a good idea. A sand-based/time class is a good idea.

    This, however, is garbage.
    It's just a name. It could incorporate both dragon magic and time magic as different specs. Think of Evoker/Invoker vs Mage as a Sorcerer vs a Wizard from DnD. They've both spellcasters, but they have very different themes and sources of power.

    If this leak is true and the next class is an Evoker/Invoker I imagine the source of the name came from the Invoke keyword from the Descent of Dragons HS expansion. The theme of that keyword was all about invoking the powers of dragons.

    I think if this is true it will be a cloth, Intelligence based, pure ranged spellcaster class using time and dragon magic. It may also incorporate some light summoning themes. I think a mail hybrid melee/caster class would be too similar to Shaman.

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    "evoker" = "summoner"

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    Quote Originally Posted by D4nnYb0Y View Post
    It's just a name.
    Sure, but it is a pretty crap and overly generic name. Might as well call it something else. Sorceror vs. Wizard is actually a good example; they're way to similar and somebody not familiar with the rules wouldn't know they're two different classes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D4nnYb0Y View Post
    It's just a name. It could incorporate both dragon magic and time magic as different specs. Think of Evoker/Invoker vs Mage as a Sorcerer vs a Wizard from DnD. They've both spellcasters, but they have very different themes and sources of power.

    If this leak is true and the next class is an Evoker/Invoker I imagine the source of the name came from the Invoke keyword from the Descent of Dragons HS expansion. The theme of that keyword was all about invoking the powers of dragons.

    I think if this is true it will be a cloth, Intelligence based, pure ranged spellcaster class using time and dragon magic. It may also incorporate some light summoning themes. I think a mail hybrid melee/caster class would be too similar to Shaman.
    Or....
    It wont be a new class, but a different spec for a mage or shaman...???

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    Again: Let's keep in mind that Warcraft uses the DnD magic school system as can be found out in mage lore and Dalaran mostly. Mages literally are based on the school of Evocation, which via arcane formulae "summons" in elemental effects to harm their foes. An Evoker would be complete and utter nonsense in WoW, as that is already what a WoW mage is.

    If you want a mage with different flavor you'd need to go for Abjuration, Conjuration, Divination, Enchantment, Illusion, Necromancy or Transmutation. Evocation is the one school we already have in lore..
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    You guys are really off. An Evoker would be nothing like a Mage or a Dragon.

    If recent lore is anything to go by, then Evoker is a Witch. Or, in other words, a Shadow Hunter:
    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Crimsonwood_Evoker
    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Briarwood_Evoker
    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Drust_Evoker

    Evoke
    invoke (a spirit or deity).
    "Akasha is evoked in India when a house is being built to ensure its completion".

    Probably expect playable Vrykuls alongside it.
    One of the Drust classes literally says Evoker:
    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Drust

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gehco View Post
    Ah, explains, I don't have the Chronicles books.

    Guess that wouldn't make them be elementals but stem from them, calling them elementals is like calling Night Elves for Trolls then.

    Thanks for filling in that gap then.
    Can you stop being an elemental? Can elementals just become creatures of flesh and blood?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bryden7 View Post
    I see people calling for Necromancers when we already have unholy death knights.
    Unholy Death Knights are in no way what Necromancers would be like. Necromancers are clothwearing spellcasters and they don't attack with runeblades. A Death Knight is a fundamentally different concept to Necromancers and if they really wanted to do the Necromancer, which they totally should have for Shadowlands, they'll simply remove the summon undead spells from Death Knights like they did with Meta for the Warlock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    You guys are really off. An Evoker would be nothing like a Mage or a Dragon.

    If recent lore is anything to go by, then Evoker is a Witch. Or, in other words, a Shadow Hunter:
    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Crimsonwood_Evoker
    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Briarwood_Evoker
    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Drust_Evoker

    Evoke
    invoke (a spirit or deity).
    "Akasha is evoked in India when a house is being built to ensure its completion".

    Probably expect playable Vrykuls alongside it.
    One of the Drust classes literally says Evoker:
    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Drust
    Witch is a female Warlock, which is a synonym for Sorcerers and Mages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmic Janitor View Post
    Again: Let's keep in mind that Warcraft uses the DnD magic school system as can be found out in mage lore and Dalaran mostly. Mages literally are based on the school of Evocation, which via arcane formulae "summons" in elemental effects to harm their foes. An Evoker would be complete and utter nonsense in WoW, as that is already what a WoW mage is.

    If you want a mage with different flavor you'd need to go for Abjuration, Conjuration, Divination, Enchantment, Illusion, Necromancy or Transmutation. Evocation is the one school we already have in lore..
    I agree, a 4th spec for Mages would make the most sense.

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    Yep, my money is still on a dragon-based class based on the three dragons of HotS, with Alexstraza being the base foundation for the class.

    Runner-up is Tinker.

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    Have people considered that there might not be any class at all?

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    Snore… ready to bury this ill-conceived “class”.

    It’s akin to expecting a “pillager”, “adept” or any other minor NPC title. It has no cohesive identity or theme across the WoW narrative. Just another word for generic caster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Yep, my money is still on a dragon-based class based on the three dragons of HotS, with Alexstraza being the base foundation for the class.

    Runner-up is Tinker.
    How is tinker runner up lol. They even made it an april fool's joke and that class does not fit the expansion and the race restrictions + engineering + the low popularity makes it one of the most unlikely class to happen and will never happen. It's always the same few people that make fake leaks about Tinker coming to the game and it never does and now it won't be any different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CalamityHeart View Post
    It's something from Chronicles. And it's not about dragons as we know them, but ancient proto-dragons which, according to Chronicles, were once elementals who weren't bound to the elemental planes and gradually evolved into flesh-and-blood creatures.

    As far as I'm aware, there's no prior information about the actual origins of proto-dragons, so I don't think this is actually a retcon of anything, and is just... lore, from Chronicles.
    There are some people that think any addition to previously established lore is a Retcon. While technically true in the broadest sense of the word, the negative connotation retcons get is generally from something that CHANGES established lore, rather than adds to it.

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    God I hope they never add another class.

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    I hope the class isn't actually 'evoker', it sounds just like mage.
    If it's something dragon-based let the name reflect it. (Dragoncaster, dragonsworn, etc)

    But the concept of using dragon themed magic instead of turning into an actual dragon makes much more sense.

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    Also if I remember correctly dragons aren't the only beings to turn from elemental to flesh beings.
    The orcs descended from those large rock elemental things we've seen on Draenor that Aggramar put there.
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