This is why no healer plays solo shuffel

[ArenaDk]

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Why should a healer bother to play solo shuffel? Usually you get people with worse mmr and if you lose even 1 game to them you lose rating.

But the worse part is, that there is ALWAYS one guy who is just bad, usually has no mmr and just got in cause que times. They go 0/6 both Healer go 3 wins cause they either afk/ line all game or do no damage.

So now both healer get no rating, risked losing lots of rating , and played to gain almost no rating unless they go 6:0

No matter the rating if 1000 or 3000. Why should a healer do this to themselfs? Asking nicely is usually met with silence, and if you are more harsh they auto int even harder.

Only solution : Healer need extra rewards to play solo shuffel or have a rating protection if they lose a game with someone who ends with 0/6

[Soisoisoi]

Same for DPS if there's 1 person obviously the free kill. They just need to fix it so people get rating assuming they'd have won the match that wasn't played, and the leaver gets all 6 lost.

[nvaelz]

Only solution : get past that mmr and that's really up to your own capabilities, if you think 1670 is alot higher than 1300 then you're wrong, it's very low.

I mean, some people are destined to be hardstuck on 1600 rating that's how it's going to be and most of the salt on that rating is disbelief, and blaming the entire universe instead of focusing on self improvement. Also alot of people on 1600 just don't care, they don't mind losing, they don't want to get anywhere, they don't care about that they're just chilling. XD.

Just wait until you are hardstuck on 1800-2100 then instead of tears you'll have inflated egos that think they are the best, but it's really the same problem, thinking it's everyone elses fault and not their own.

Tbh, the only common denominator is the tears, they change in how much rage and self deception they contain, but usually higher rating = more fragile egos, and that's how it is.

Here's some VALUABLE tips for you, I'm sure you'll ignore them and pretend I'm full of shit.

First, play better, and sure it will sometimes be hopeless and you'll lose but go next, and try to play better all the time, and if you can do that then you'll progress.

If you keep being stuck on 1700 rating then you need to figure out why you can't progress.

Here's some examples to help you out.

Consider your fluidity in your keybinds, how you use spells/and or target players, what addons you have and how good you are at absorbing information from your UI layout(and your ability to see the gameplay beyond the UI), you wanna be able to relax while playing good, also consider your spec choices, a wrong pvp talent might mean the win or the loss for a specific round etc.

And try to recognize when you're going to lose cuz of a teammate, you can atleast try to navigate that situation the best you may, and crying about it to change it usually doesn't serve a positive outcome, so be positive about trying anyway!

Also, you might be aggressive when you need to be ready to heal, or you might be in an exposed position because you really wanna cc but then you get cced and you can't heal.
Also, you might missplay against totems or cds and you might waste your trinket etc, try to think about how you use your things, if it might be a mistake, what I'm saying is it's good to reconsider what you are actually doing.

I hope you figure it out and then you'll face me on high mmr and I'll win cuz I'm the best.

Good luck.

[Ghadun]

Just like nvaelz stated, you need to cheat by using addons to get any higher. Literally, the addons will give you all the information you need to get higher, theres no need to use your brain or skills.

Also, the class you play most certainly has a cap during each season depending on how blizzard balances it. Like right now, only rdruids and evokers can compete for top rankings, which is why they make up 60% of total healers. Look at HPal for example...theres literally 1 above 2400+, while rdruids and evokers are playing at 2800+. Make sure you try to get your games in at the start of the week right as soon as you can after reset, because by the weekend you only have diehard arena people playing.

In RSS, i spend my time harassing the other healer as much as i can to force a mistake. Time your CC on the enemy healer for when the other team has someone on low hp and youll win more games.

[nvaelz]

Just like nvaelz stated, you need to cheat by using addons to get any higher. Literally, the addons will give you all the information you need to get higher, theres no need to use your brain or skills.

Also, the class you play most certainly has a cap during each season depending on how blizzard balances it. Like right now, only rdruids and evokers can compete for top rankings, which is why they make up 60% of total healers. Look at HPal for example...theres literally 1 above 2400+, while rdruids and evokers are playing at 2800+. Make sure you try to get your games in at the start of the week right as soon as you can after reset, because by the weekend you only have diehard arena people playing.

In RSS, i spend my time harassing the other healer as much as i can to force a mistake. Time your CC on the enemy healer for when the other team has someone on low hp and youll win more games.

Tbh I don't use any addons except bartender4 but that's cuz I'm a genius that knows everything with a DR tracker in my mind.
But I'm sure if I did use addons I'd be much better at the game, don't get me wrong, I'm just stupid that's all.

Stupid like Rocky Balboa.

[GreenJesus]

Same for DPS if there's 1 person obviously the free kill. They just need to fix it so people get rating assuming they'd have won the match that wasn't played, and the leaver gets all 6 lost.

I guess the problem is if the healer was matched with the shitty DPS that dies in seconds for the first 2 matches.

[ArenaDk]

Only solution : get past that mmr and that's really up to your own capabilities, if you think 1670 is alot higher than 1300 then you're wrong, it's very low.

I mean, some people are destined to be hardstuck on 1600 rating that's how it's going to be and most of the salt on that rating is disbelief, and blaming the entire universe instead of focusing on self improvement. Also alot of people on 1600 just don't care, they don't mind losing, they don't want to get anywhere, they don't care about that they're just chilling. XD.

Just wait until you are hardstuck on 1800-2100 then instead of tears you'll have inflated egos that think they are the best, but it's really the same problem, thinking it's everyone elses fault and not their own.

Tbh, the only common denominator is the tears, they change in how much rage and self deception they contain, but usually higher rating = more fragile egos, and that's how it is.

Here's some VALUABLE tips for you, I'm sure you'll ignore them and pretend I'm full of shit.

First, play better, and sure it will sometimes be hopeless and you'll lose but go next, and try to play better all the time, and if you can do that then you'll progress.

If you keep being stuck on 1700 rating then you need to figure out why you can't progress.

Here's some examples to help you out.

Consider your fluidity in your keybinds, how you use spells/and or target players, what addons you have and how good you are at absorbing information from your UI layout(and your ability to see the gameplay beyond the UI), you wanna be able to relax while playing good, also consider your spec choices, a wrong pvp talent might mean the win or the loss for a specific round etc.

And try to recognize when you're going to lose cuz of a teammate, you can atleast try to navigate that situation the best you may, and crying about it to change it usually doesn't serve a positive outcome, so be positive about trying anyway!

Also, you might be aggressive when you need to be ready to heal, or you might be in an exposed position because you really wanna cc but then you get cced and you can't heal.
Also, you might missplay against totems or cds and you might waste your trinket etc, try to think about how you use your things, if it might be a mistake, what I'm saying is it's good to reconsider what you are actually doing.

I hope you figure it out and then you'll face me on high mmr and I'll win cuz I'm the best.

Good luck.

Buddy thanks for the worry. But Iam multiple times 2200-2500 , which I know is also not high but it’s enough. The point I want to make is that the the solo shuffle system gives healer no reason to play it which is a shame as you don’t always want to wait for mates to hop on. And it’s all based on a mix of bad making cause through long wait times and the basic rules of rating gain punishing healer more then dd while having twice the effort. It’s not about rotating cds or anything , it’s about how straining it is to chase after a dd for 3 games trying to keep him alive , having to cds when you shouldn’t have need to etc.

There is no reason why a healer should play this mode over normal 3v3.

The last two round of solo shuffle were a hunter and a monk literally running it, getting it, using turtle / karma instandly , followed by games where I have to heal more stressfully a dd without def cds. It’s cool to think back afterwards and wonder what to do better , which Iam sure there is as always. But there is also the question : why try to be better for someone who makes it harder for you and won’t appreciate the effort. For rating ? You can get that in 3s for better rewards

[nvaelz]

Buddy thanks for the worry. But Iam multiple times 2200-2500 , which I know is also not high but it’s enough. The point I want to make is that the the solo shuffle system gives healer no reason to play it which is a shame as you don’t always want to wait for mates to hop on. And it’s all based on a mix of bad making cause through long wait times and the basic rules of rating gain punishing healer more then dd while having twice the effort. It’s not about rotating cds or anything , it’s about how straining it is to chase after a dd for 3 games trying to keep him alive , having to cds when you shouldn’t have need to etc.

There is no reason why a healer should play this mode over normal 3v3.

The last two round of solo shuffle were a hunter and a monk literally running it, getting it, using turtle / karma instandly , followed by games where I have to heal more stressfully a dd without def cds. It’s cool to think back afterwards and wonder what to do better , which Iam sure there is as always. But there is also the question : why try to be better for someone who makes it harder for you and won’t appreciate the effort. For rating ? You can get that in 3s for better rewards

Yeah but that's true for all healers, maybe you should play dps?

[ArenaDk]

Yeah but that's true for all healers, maybe you should play dps?

Well as there is no reason to play healer, dps have 30 min que time. See the problem for all sides?

[nvaelz]

Well as there is no reason to play healer, dps have 30 min que time. See the problem for all sides?

Dude you shouldn't play healer only cuz it's faster queues in Solo Shuffle :S I understand why you're upset, it's frustrating to play healer and Solo Shuffle is "imo" a really bad idea and I'd much prefered a rated arena skirmish type of system, but here we are with the permanent brawl that no one even liked from the beginning.

[ONCHEhap]

Well, people have been begging for solo queued rated arena for so long despite the obvious issues with queued rated PvP, and here it is.

As much as I understand how frustrating it might be, that's simply how it's going to be a lot of time when you don't get to pick your partner

[BlackRedGreenofc]

Buddy thanks for the worry. But Iam multiple times 2200-2500 , which I know is also not high but it’s enough. The point I want to make is that the the solo shuffle system gives healer no reason to play it which is a shame as you don’t always want to wait for mates to hop on. And it’s all based on a mix of bad making cause through long wait times and the basic rules of rating gain punishing healer more then dd while having twice the effort. It’s not about rotating cds or anything , it’s about how straining it is to chase after a dd for 3 games trying to keep him alive , having to cds when you shouldn’t have need to etc.

There is no reason why a healer should play this mode over normal 3v3.

The last two round of solo shuffle were a hunter and a monk literally running it, getting it, using turtle / karma instandly , followed by games where I have to heal more stressfully a dd without def cds. It’s cool to think back afterwards and wonder what to do better , which Iam sure there is as always. But there is also the question : why try to be better for someone who makes it harder for you and won’t appreciate the effort. For rating ? You can get that in 3s for better rewards

Can we please get the credentials of those 2200-2500 rating you're talking about (The achievements and the information please). It's just that we have so much people here constantly saying they are so good at this game but in reality they are kinda trash.

Healer in Solo Shuffle and Healer is 2's and 3's have to be played profoundly different, that's all this is. It's about adapting your playstyle, which is something you would know how to do if you really were 2500 rating in 3's or 2's like you said.

Just trying to get a bit of truth here, as these forums are lacking a bit

[ArenaDk]

Can we please get the credentials of those 2200-2500 rating you're talking about (The achievements and the information please). It's just that we have so much people here constantly saying they are so good at this game but in reality they are kinda trash.

Healer in Solo Shuffle and Healer is 2's and 3's have to be played profoundly different, that's all this is. It's about adapting your playstyle, which is something you would know how to do if you really were 2500 rating in 3's or 2's like you said.

Just trying to get a bit of truth here, as these forums are lacking a bit

https://i.gyazo.com/38f046f238e56323...e5aa9a6ca0.png

Tried to squeeze a few rating refs of different seasons into one picture <3 would include the legion glady mount if I didnt miss it by 40 or so :<

Also I would argue 2200 doesnt make you not trash. I played Dh in legion at 2,2 and I was trash at it lmao

And yeah while you need to adopt your playstyle, for example playing your evoker more agressive to push for quicker kills on overextending damage dealer, it doesnt solve the issue of people just running into a 0/6 with turtle on perma cooldown.

[BlackRedGreenofc]

Tried to squeeze a few rating refs of different seasons into one picture <3 would include the legion glady mount if I didnt miss it by 40 or so :<

Also I would argue 2200 doesnt make you not trash. I played Dh in legion at 2,2 and I was trash at it lmao

And yeah while you need to adopt your playstyle, for example playing your evoker more agressive to push for quicker kills on overextending damage dealer, it doesnt solve the issue of people just running into a 0/6 with turtle on perma cooldown.

As far as i'm concerned that doesn't prove anything man. You either don't know this game can be ran on third party program and servers, or you do know and you're using it as some sort of proof? Either way i'm sure now you understand how your screenshot doesn't constitute any sort of proof right ?

Why not just link your armory? Why be evasive about this?

Anyway, trash is debatable you're right. Legion was the easiest to get some good rating, that's why you can usually see it with achievements with an armory link or anything of the sort. Like a character name people can look up your stuff. That's what I meant originally by credentials you know

[ArenaDk]

As far as i'm concerned that doesn't prove anything man. You either don't know this game can be ran on third party program and servers, or you do know and you're using it as some sort of proof? Either way i'm sure now you understand how your screenshot doesn't constitute any sort of proof right ?

Why not just link your armory? Why be evasive about this?

Anyway, trash is debatable you're right. Legion was the easiest to get some good rating, that's why you can usually see it with achievements with an armory link or anything of the sort. Like a character name people can look up your stuff. That's what I meant originally by credentials you know

And if I link my armory you will say X then I will do Y and you will say Z. Which we just saw start. So lets get back to the topic. Mr. New Account

Healer still have no reason to que and the ques are getting longer by the week. Also it seems leaver increase as their is no punishment.

[BlackRedGreenofc]

And if I link my armory you will say X then I will do Y and you will say Z. Which we just saw start. So lets get back to the topic. Mr. New Account

Healer still have no reason to que and the ques are getting longer by the week. Also it seems leaver increase as their is no punishment.

So you assume that I will do this? And then can actually predict what I will say? No I won't challenge you on every single details of your gameplay, I just want to call out people that are imposters on this forum, have no idea what they are talking about, and just try to pretend like they know everything. I'm not saying you are, i'm just saying that's why I post these things.

I understand why you would assume this though, it makes sense. People here seem to be a bit toxic at times.


Also, you not linking your armory link or your character is the same as linking it, it proves your credentials and your credibility on what you are talking about. It's easy to talk and say things, but when it's time to show up, that's where you know who's who. Anyone with those credentials (For real), doesn't hesitate to show it from my experience, because it can only be beneficial for them.

Also you calling me "Mr New Account", proves how defensive you feel about this topic. Trying to undermine what I'm saying because somehow I made my account recently on MMo-Champion? So for you it's valuable to have spent a lot of time here somehow?

So, to conclude, no Armory Link in the end, fake screenshot that could be coming from anywhere, defensive about linking your character and actually backing up anything you say ?

That's too bad..

If you don't like to queue as healers don't queues as healers, maybe it's just not meant for you. There was someone who suggested you should go back to DPS, that would be my call as well if I were you.

Leavers increase are increasing because there is an exploit that can be done to increase rating with hidden MMR and numbers of round won. (If you didn't know already). Queues are getting longer for a multitudes of reasons, but the ones your brought up are most likely very minimal. I have friends who play healers and have explained to me their solo Q experience as a healer, and it's really not for beginners at all.

Problem is likely your gameplay, and from this very short experience discussing with you, your attitude (and mindset).

If you want to get better at it analyze your gameplay, record yourself play, watch what you could have done differently, instead of blaming the game and ranting here. Just my 2 cent. You'll see much better result that way.

Good luck!

[Ealyssa]

"People crying for years for solo ranked"

"Actual players telling them it will be a shitshow"

*Surprised pikachu from the first group when the shitshow actually happens*

[Anzen]

So you assume that I will do this? And then can actually predict what I will say? No I won't challenge you on every single details of your gameplay, I just want to call out people that are imposters on this forum, have no idea what they are talking about, and just try to pretend like they know everything. I'm not saying you are, i'm just saying that's why I post these things.

I understand why you would assume this though, it makes sense. People here seem to be a bit toxic at times.


Also, you not linking your armory link or your character is the same as linking it, it proves your credentials and your credibility on what you are talking about. It's easy to talk and say things, but when it's time to show up, that's where you know who's who. Anyone with those credentials (For real), doesn't hesitate to show it from my experience, because it can only be beneficial for them.

Also you calling me "Mr New Account", proves how defensive you feel about this topic. Trying to undermine what I'm saying because somehow I made my account recently on MMo-Champion? So for you it's valuable to have spent a lot of time here somehow?

So, to conclude, no Armory Link in the end, fake screenshot that could be coming from anywhere, defensive about linking your character and actually backing up anything you say ?

That's too bad..

If you don't like to queue as healers don't queues as healers, maybe it's just not meant for you. There was someone who suggested you should go back to DPS, that would be my call as well if I were you.

Leavers increase are increasing because there is an exploit that can be done to increase rating with hidden MMR and numbers of round won. (If you didn't know already). Queues are getting longer for a multitudes of reasons, but the ones your brought up are most likely very minimal. I have friends who play healers and have explained to me their solo Q experience as a healer, and it's really not for beginners at all.

Problem is likely your gameplay, and from this very short experience discussing with you, your attitude (and mindset).

If you want to get better at it analyze your gameplay, record yourself play, watch what you could have done differently, instead of blaming the game and ranting here. Just my 2 cent. You'll see much better result that way.

Good luck!

How are you any more qualified to comment than ArenaDk? At least he has linked some proof.

And if you were a regular visitor to this (or any for that matter) forum, then you'd know (as ArenaDk is aware) that this always goes one way:

"Link proof"
*sends screenshot*
"How do I know that's you?"
*sends armoury*
"That could be anyones armoury"
*sends video playing the character on live"
"Lol well you're 2.4k as a resto druid so it doesn't count. that's like 1.6k on every other class. try again"
"I've been rank 1 glad every season since the game launched"
"anyone can get rank 1 glad with enough time"

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"So, to conclude, no Armory Link in the end, fake screenshot that could be coming from anywhere, defensive about linking your character and actually backing up anything you say ?

That's too bad.. "

The only person being toxic is you, he doesn't owe you anything. Get your head out your arse.

[Cynical Asshole]

"People crying for years for solo ranked"

"Actual players telling them it will be a shitshow"

*Surprised pikachu from the first group when the shitshow actually happens*

Savix: "Solo queue will save the game! I SWEAR IT!"

Me and others: "Bro! People will just treat solo queue like random bgs and shit, they will just bail whenever they're not having fun or just feel like their side will lose and they don't want to waste their time, they will afk, and everything that happens in a random bg."

Savix: NO! IT'S NOT TRUE! SOLO QUEUE WILL BE DA BOMB!

[6 years later]

Savix: "People just treat solo queue like random bgs and shit, they just bail whenever they're not having fun or just feel like their side will lose and they don't want to waste their time, they afk, and everything that happens in a random bg. How did I not see this coming?!"

[Ilookfly]

So is this a "teammate bad!" Thread or....?