Prot Paladin Glyphs

[Worshaka]

What are the Prot Paladin Glyphs of choice atm?

I was thinking along the lines of Divine Plea, Seal of Vengence & Hammer of the Righteous. Keep in mind my prot pally is an alt, he's likely to do 10man raids with an occasional 25man... and they will most likely be pugs.

[Agathon]

well i guess it depends if its for avoidance/mitigation or if its for threat...

[Worshaka]

If you think it needs to be split into mitigation vs threat... what setup for each?

[Agathon]

http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.c...=21933#p404159

I think it could be Glyph of Judgement for Treat vs Glyph of Salvation. The second is very situational, but as mentioned in the thread: it could have its uses.
Maybe iam not the right one to explain this.....iam only a second specc tankadin
I use Divine Plea, Vengeance and Hammer of the Righteous atm....but iam not maintanking so i dont need this extra mini shieldwall (salvation). It may be wrong that i dropped judgement for divine plea because it feels like treat > avoidance when offtanking (mostly trash, or thorim arena for example)

[Lumidar]

Divine Plea and Seal of Vengeance are a must. the third one is all up to you. I use Avenger's shield cus I'm usually single target tanking and the extra damage helps (and great for PVP too).

[SyncMaster]

SoV (must have)
DP (must have)

For the third I'd advice you Judgement glyph, if you really need for AoE threat then HoR glyph or more single target threat go with AV glyph.

[Martini]

http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.c...=21933#p404159

I think it could be Glyph of Judgement for Treat vs Glyph of Salvation. The second is very situational, but as mentioned in the thread: it could have its uses.
Maybe iam not the right one to explain this.....iam only a second specc tankadin
I use Divine Plea, Vengeance and Hammer of the Righteous atm....but iam not maintanking so i dont need this extra mini shieldwall (salvation). It may be wrong that i dropped judgement for divine plea because it feels like treat > avoidance when offtanking (mostly trash, or thorim arena for example)

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[javierkaiser]

Actually, SoV glyph it's not a must... It's useful if you use SoV...
The only glyph that can be considered a must it's DP.

And... the glyphs I use:

For Bosses:
SoR - Judg - DP

For Trash:
SoV - HotR - DP


And yes, I have a Prot / Prot Dual Spec.

[Martini]

Actually, SoV glyph it's not a must... It's useful if you use SoV...
The only glyph that can be considered a must it's DP.

And... the glyphs I use:

For Bosses:
SoR - Judg - DP

For Trash:
SoV - HotR - DP


And yes, I have a Prot / Prot Dual Spec.

May I ask why you chose a glyph that reduces the mana of an ability that really already has a low cost to use over a glyph that give you expertise - a stat that helps to avoid the boss making parries against you, and helps keep the boss from dodging your attacks?

And yes I realize that this has no effect for some of our abilities, bt at the same time I realize as a MT no matter what I do I can't run out of mana unless I'm just flat out dead....

[javierkaiser]

May I ask why you chose a glyph that reduces the mana of an ability that really already has a low cost to use over a glyph that give you expertise - a stat that helps to avoid the boss making parries against you, and helps keep the boss from dodging your attacks?

And yes I realize that this has no effect for some of our abilities, bt at the same time I realize as a MT no matter what I do I can't run out of mana unless I'm just flat out dead....

Actually, I'm not using any glyphs that reduces the mana cost...

SoR: +10% Damage
Judg: +10% Damage
DP: -3% incoming damage
SoV: +10 Expertise
HotR: +1 Target

And Actually, if I have less expertise because I use SoR and the boss parry or dodge, it's not a problem after all, because it would be just a melee swing.

[Offhand]

May I ask why you chose a glyph that reduces the mana of an ability that really already has a low cost to use over a glyph that give you expertise - a stat that helps to avoid the boss making parries against you, and helps keep the boss from dodging your attacks?

And yes I realize that this has no effect for some of our abilities, bt at the same time I realize as a MT no matter what I do I can't run out of mana unless I'm just flat out dead....

I think the generally accepted abbreviations put SoR as seal of the righteous and ShoR as shield of righteousness.

Instead, I believe his "boss" setup uses seal of righteousness, whereas his "trash" build uses SoV. This is very unsettling as I thought it was common knowledge that reckoning/seals of the pure builds with SoR are outperformed by the generic 53/18 SoV builds even when glyphed and taking the 2 piece t8 into account.

Anyway, I have two conclusions:
1) He means seal of the righteous, in which case he missed the memo around 3.0.
2) He actually means shield, in which case it's a lost cause.

EDIT: He replied 20 seconds before I finished this post. TLR SoR is for Burning Crusade times. SoV is the new threat seal.

[Martini]

Actually, I'm not using any glyphs that reduces the mana cost...

SoR: +10% Damage
Judg: +10% Damage
DP: -3% incoming damage
SoV: +10 Expertise
HotR: +1 Target

And Actually, if I have less expertise because I use SoR and the boss parry or dodge, it's not a problem after all, because it would be just a melee swing.

That's why I asked..

A lot of people use SoR for Shield of the Righteous instead of Seal of Righteousness.

But at the same time I havent heard of anyone using seal of righteousness since we got Seal of Corruption/Vengence (you know I just realized how f'ed up that is: vengence vs corruption - BE's are not freaking EVIL!!!) - LOL at my sig and this comment!

Are you running T8 bonus already?

If so do you possibly have any TPS numbers, I'm kinda curious

Edit: Lol at us posting on top of each other!

And yeah I'm figuring SoV is still king, especially since Hammer aplies it to two other targets (3 if glyphed) So I'm thinking even with the bonus from T8 SoR isn't able to cut it

[Offhand]

If so do you possibly have any TPS numbers, I'm kinda curious

Theck does.

http://www.maintankadin.failsafedesi...410112#p410112

It also shows that SoB doesn't do much for us either.

[javierkaiser]

Yeah, I'm using Seal of Righteousness, because I was bored of SoV and I'm trying something alternative.
Also yes, I call it Shield of the Righteous, not because I like it, but for a different abbreviation (SotR).
Not any T8 bonus yet.
And TPS (in bosses (10 man), with Seal of R) is around 5 k.

[Martini]

Theck does.

http://www.maintankadin.failsafedesi...410112#p410112

It also shows that SoB doesn't do much for us either.

SoB doesn't do much but it's kind of interesting to know about that with all that damn expertise gear I keep passing to the warrior >.>

[Anhtem]

I use Sov/Socorr
Divine plea
Salvation

Salvation is usable at every fight at ulduar, only when you just taunt a boss when you have to switch (like thorim or kologarn) can sometimes dump your aggro lower than the other tank you just taunted and switch back to him.

Every other fight is usable , a little situational when at late fight when you have a huge amount of aggro but i have a macro with cast salvation and cancelaura so i can remove it whenever i want.

Example i use it on mimiron when plasma blast first salvation, second Divine protection, third they toss me a pain suppression or guardian spirit.

At yogg saronn is good at every phase , and is usefull in a lot of situation, i use it at every boss exept when i taunt at thorim or in high end fight like vezax.

[Eurytos]

Gawd, so much confusion over abbreviations. I don't even know how to respond to any of these posts. Lol.

SoR = Seal of Righteousness
ShoR = Shield of Righteousness
HotR = Hammer of the Righteous

Cmon guys, lets try and keep our abbreviations to the standard that everyone can understand.

Btw, I run with SoV, DP, and HotR glyphs. My threat really isn't a problem and I would much rather not be parried, than increase my dps a little with Judgment glyph.

Also, as a tank, I don't know why you would ever use Salvation glyph. Like I said earlier, my threat isn't a problem, but that doesn't mean I can slack off(not with my mages), so even with the dmg reduction, losing threat is not an option. No no for Salvation glyph as prot. (I would consider it as a pvp ret glyph though)

[Agathon]

Seal of the Righteous needs the talent and the glyph and does not provide any bonus (expertise). so why choose it over SoV? oO If you need to change your target often maybe....but i cant imagine it beeing superior on a simple boss fight where you only attack one target. Well you could be expertise capped...but cant imagine that with my naxx25/ulduar10 tankgear ^^

[Tyneside]

Gawd, so much confusion over abbreviations. I don't even know how to respond to any of these posts. Lol.

SoR = Seal of Righteousness
ShoR = Shield of Righteousness
HotR = Hammer of the Righteous

Cmon guys, lets try and keep our abbreviations to the standard that everyone can understand.

Btw, I run with SoV, DP, and HotR glyphs. My threat really isn't a problem and I would much rather not be parried, than increase my dps a little with Judgment glyph.

Also, as a tank, I don't know why you would ever use Salvation glyph. Like I said earlier, my threat isn't a problem, but that doesn't mean I can slack off(not with my mages), so even with the dmg reduction, losing threat is not an option. No no for Salvation glyph as prot. (I would consider it as a pvp ret glyph though)

If you can't spare 20% threat, you're not pushing enough threat.

If you're using SoR for bosses (Javier) then you're doing it wrong and that would explain a bit.

[Paandora]

I'm going with:
Glyph of divinea Plea - Well it's kinda obvious why i got that one, 3% Reduced dmg while active, and as tankadin you should have it active all time.

Glyph of Judgement: 10& more dmg - more threat, and you will use the spell judgement quite oftet if you got, the libram: Libram of Obstruction (15 Emblems of heroism). Very nice libram btw, imo i think every Protection pala should get that pre-raiding, havn't checked on the ones droped from raid, cause i just start doing that.
Anyhow the libram's does that the spell judgement increases your shield block by 352 for 5 sec.

And finally i got
Glyph of Consecration: Increases the duration and cooldown by 2 sec. imo it's worth it.