aspect of the hawk or aspect of the fox (pve)

[Ruttox]

Where and when do you use aspect of the fox in raids or heroic , because I usually use aspect of the fox because is very convenient in a lot of fights. So how much dps you lose with aspect of the fox in fights that require not so much movement?

[Herecius]

It's very easy to switch between the two. You should never arbitrarily decide 'oh, I'm going to be in aspect of the fox for this fight.' Switching to aspect of the fox is no different than when we had mana and had to switch to viper occasionally. Aspect of the Fox should always be used when you need to start moving a lot.
As a random example, you need to move almost constantly for Atremede's air phase, so when he flies up would be an ideal time to switch aspects.

[XanderJS]

I use a simple cast sequence macro to help switch between aspects. Learning to aspect 'dance' is something that is very handy to have in the toolbox.
Lots of fights in HC's alone require some mobility at some point and being able to maintain your flow and keep that dps up will always be of benefit. Took me a while to get used to it though, casting while moving tends to feel pretty odd at first!

[Kalcheus]

If I don't know a fight, I usually stay in Fox the whole time, just because if it turns into a movement fight I'll lose a significant chunk of dps. Once I know the fight I'll start aspect dancing.

A good example of aspect dancing is Argaloth in Baradin Hold. For most of the fight you're stacked in one of two positions; obviously you should be Hawk at that point. Once he starts casting Fel Firestorm I switch to Fox; once it's over and I've returned to my position I'm back in Hawk.

[Deleted]

If I know theres going to be a fight that requires both of them (Like Pit Lord Argaloth) I'll switch because you need as much dps as possable, I think it should be the same for every fight unless theres such a short period of time to use one that theres no benefit. It shouldnt be hard to switch to Aspect of the Hawk when standing still and Aspect of the fox when your about to move off.

[Dunee]

cast sequence macro then use it when i have to move for more than 3sec and I have under 50focus, if above and it's 1-5sec I generally just stay in hawk and pump out arcane shots/explosive shots

[Deleted]

I use both at the same time. How? Thats for me to know and you to find out XD

[Herecius]

I use both at the same time. How? Thats for me to know and you to find out XD

Congratulations on exploiting a pet and aspect bug, I'm sure everybody is very proud of you. :/

[GeordieMagpie]

About 200-300 dps (TOTAL Dps) so that might be about..1k-2k on the damage meters, Though due to it, I got 1st place WITH Aspect of the fox on the first boss of Deadmines. Why? I could cast while moving.and most of our attacks are instant.

[Antillar]

I use both at the same time. How? Thats for me to know and you to find out XD

I'm surprised this bug hasn't been reported. I ended up with aspect of the cheetah and aspect of the fox in Tol Barad the other day...

[GeordieMagpie]

So use Hawk and Fox wisely

[Quenay]

I find myself using aspect of the fox if I think I'm going to move within the next few seconds.
Why? Well, using aspect of the fox is a 3 % dps loss compared to aspect of the hawk, which would mean that if I did 33 gcds in fox and 32 in aspect of the hawk it'd even out.
The math (if you'd like to call it that) posted above isn't very accurate as it's a very little part of a hunter's "rotation" that does the most dmg (explosive shot), however this just makes the case clearer as for why you should use aspect of the fox: If you're using aspect of the hawk and because of that lose a cobra shot which then leads to not having enough focus for explosive shot (and you because of that have to "delay" firing it) your dps goes down by a significant amount.
It's a good idea to cast cobra shot in aspect of the fox and then switch over to aspect of the hawk when casting explosive shot and black arrow.

Doing what Dunee suggested is only advisable if you're not delaying the use of explosive shot, for reasons stated above.


@Ruttox: To answer your question I lose 750 dps by ONLY using aspect of the fox on tank and spank fights with no movement.

[Drakoes]

There's a bug involving Camouflage that lets you use both Hawk and Fox. It's pretty helpful and nifty whilst it still lasts Afterall, it's not like everyday we get to see a "good" bug right?

[azzureuss]

I use that bug every raid and every heroic dungeon. The bug enables you to keep hawk all the time and swap 1 of the other aspects. Very useful.

[Drakoes]

I use that bug every raid and every heroic dungeon. The bug enables you to keep hawk all the time and swap 1 of the other aspects. Very useful.

A shame that the class has more "bad" bugs than "good" ones!

[Monkeybutt22345]

Use both, aspect of the fox while moving, and hawk while bursting down.

[Deleted]

Can someone clarify how I should use hawk and fox as MM? Should I use fox before every 2x steady shot and then back to hawk everytime since (as I heard) chimera and other shots do quite a lot less damage when not using hawk.

In movement fights ofcourse.

[btf]

tbh if you know what the fight is about then you can use the aspect to suit you - obv i mean if the fight enables you to stand still for a certain period then use hawk, but if you have to move about use fox - you shouldnt lose that much dps to notice and you stay in the fight doing decent damage - saying that if the fight requires to move about at certain times then just switch as and when, its only a click so its almost instance

[Cracka_Bob]

im glad theres still some good hunters out there who know how and when to switch (when not using the bug lol)

as others have said, fox when moving, hawk when stationary OR when you have enough focus to fire instant shots while moving

i just wish i could convince my guildie to do this.... he keeps fox on ALL THE TIME no matter if we have to move or not >.>

[Sexynemesis]

I only use it if I know I'm going to have to move or kite a lot in a fight.
It doesn't actually regen focus (not like people said it would when everyone though it would be the new aspect of the viper...but i digress) unless you are getting hit by something (reread the tooltip if you didn't catch that one) So I ONLY ever use it if i have to be moving constantly during a fight. otherwise i use hawk all of the time.