[5.4] Affliction Warlock and Encounter Specific Guides

[Gorthan]

I personally prioritize SS:SB over Haunt when my current stats are better by 20% or more. Haunt essentially squeezes 10 seconds of damage into 8, recasting manually takes two more gcd's, so more than two seconds. Haunt duration - 8 seconds, Pandemic dots - a lot of seconds, more overall damage if shard is spent on dots I believe. Lining them both is even better.

Not sure about that, i've achieved my best results with a good use of shard for haunt while manually refreshing dot's accordingly with your addon

[Ridcully]

Not sure about that, i've achieved my best results with a good use of shard for haunt while manually refreshing dot's accordingly with your addon

Yea, I'm also not 100% sure, there is also Haunt damage to be considered, which is pretty significant. Getting to WoL top 200 pretty often (even got to top 2 once), so even if I'm wrong, they must be pretty close in damage. On the other hand, my guild is only 3/16 heroic, so not really competing against the best warlocks.

[Gorthan]

Yea, I'm also not 100% sure, there is also Haunt damage to be considered, which is pretty significant. Getting to WoL top 200 pretty often (even got to top 2 once), so even if I'm wrong, they must be pretty close in damage. On the other hand, my guild is only 3/16 heroic, so not really competing against the best warlocks.

Personally i use SB-SS over Haunt only at the start, when all my procs, potion and DS are fading out to refresh them at full power and haste. Outside this window is really hard to decide if is it worth to refresh the 3 dots manually and cast haunt or use SB-SS giving up a haunt, probably you're right when you say that they must be pretty close in range.

I've got another question for the elitist locks here: is it always worth to DS-SB-SS to re-apply all the 3 dots?

[Brusalk]

Personally i use SB-SS over Haunt only at the start, when all my procs, potion and DS are fading out to refresh them at full power and haste. Outside this window is really hard to decide if is it worth to refresh the 3 dots manually and cast haunt or use SB-SS giving up a haunt, probably you're right when you say that they must be pretty close in range.

I've got another question for the elitist locks here: is it always worth to DS-SB-SS to re-apply all the 3 dots?

The only time I'd say so is if two or 3 of your dots are within their refresh window. If you only need to get one DoT up to full duration (usually agony for me) then I'd fel-flame to update UA/Corr and manually refresh agony. It's one lost GCD, but it's another haunt.

[Bonkura]

Yea, I'm also not 100% sure, there is also Haunt damage to be considered, which is pretty significant. Getting to WoL top 200 pretty often (even got to top 2 once), so even if I'm wrong, they must be pretty close in damage. On the other hand, my guild is only 3/16 heroic, so not really competing against the best warlocks.

Using SB:SS to refresh dost early on procs/CD's is asking for a lot of RNG. In general I'm pretty sure the only time you wanna do it is if all your dots got ~50% or less left and you can buff them. Otherwise it's probably closer to 25% duration left to justify it.

I can't say I don't abuse SB:SS and beg for soul shards. I even did it for our Empress HC kill yesterday. But it also let us become one of very few guilds in the world to kill her with only one add phase with me being top DPS without competition.

And lol. We haven't used double spell haste with pet. Gonna try it tonight since I have a feeling they'll fix it for next reset.

[Gorthan]

The only time I'd say so is if two or 3 of your dots are within their refresh window. If you only need to get one DoT up to full duration (usually agony for me) then I'd fel-flame to update UA/Corr and manually refresh agony. It's one lost GCD, but it's another haunt.

As i supposed. Tnx.

[Shodan30]

I think siphon life needs to be re-evaluated for its damage potential compared to Seed. Granted it probably will be raid dependant (Heart of Fear has so many mobs in the trash that it probably is a superior dps to use besides a single soulburned Seed then spam seeding as affliction, while vaults/terrace has so few that your probably better off single targeting after a single soulburned seed anyway. It sure seems like its an amazing spell to use in Heart of fear. It would be nice to know at what number of mobs targetted is a breakpoint between the two spells.

[Tresdallah]

I think siphon life needs to be re-evaluated for its damage potential compared to Seed. Granted it probably will be raid dependant (Heart of Fear has so many mobs in the trash that it probably is a superior dps to use besides a single soulburned Seed then spam seeding as affliction, while vaults/terrace has so few that your probably better off single targeting after a single soulburned seed anyway. It sure seems like its an amazing spell to use in Heart of fear. It would be nice to know at what number of mobs targetted is a breakpoint between the two spells.

Siphon Life is intended as the demo AOE fury builder. It's meant to help them jump into Meta faster to get more real AoE output. Aff will never be able to use it as it's AoE when compared with SoC.

[Ridcully]

I think siphon life needs to be re-evaluated for its damage potential compared to Seed. Granted it probably will be raid dependant (Heart of Fear has so many mobs in the trash that it probably is a superior dps to use besides a single soulburned Seed then spam seeding as affliction, while vaults/terrace has so few that your probably better off single targeting after a single soulburned seed anyway. It sure seems like its an amazing spell to use in Heart of fear. It would be nice to know at what number of mobs targetted is a breakpoint between the two spells.

Harvest Life? Tooltip is wrong. On training dummies, without any buffs, damage is only half of what tooltip says.

[EvreliaGaming]

If you're lucky enough to raid with both a hunter and a shadowpriest, whilst this bug persists, you can get an extra tick of Corruption by reforging to ~6750 Haste.

[zdeadz]

Just out of curiosity, what do you guys recommend doing if both haste and mastery scale at exactly 1.92 using 10,000 iterations?

[EvreliaGaming]

Just out of curiosity, what do you guys recommend doing if both haste and mastery scale at exactly 1.92 using 10,000 iterations?

Watch the video guide.

[Cybx]

Guys.

I simc my warlock (h tt p: / /us.battle.net/wow /pt/character/goldrinn/Cybx/advanced)

And Simc give me that int is way better than mastery (yeh i knew it, but i used the gems for 480+ilvl (more mastery than int))
I want to run with spell hit cap.. and running with 4717 haste.

h t t p: / /8.chart.apis.google.com/chart?chs=550x300&cht=lc&chf=bg,s,333333&chd=t:84924,85287,85667,86102,86489,86846,87277,8 7614,88021,88396,88779,89207,89570,89968,90366,90722,91132,91577,91897,92322,92752|85609,8 5916,86214,86572,86906,87198,87541,87829,88186,88456,88779,89134,89412,89774,90101,90430,9 0753,91060,91337,91690,92027|86371,86507,86696,86926,87131,87368,88183,88308,88519,88705,8 8779,89147,89362,89570,89787,89896,90082,90254,90439,90676,90838|86814,87054,87221,87402,8 7657,87857,87982,88218,88429,88600,88779,88974,89221,89402,89602,89747,89961,90172,90374,9 0537,90752&chds=84924,92752&chxt=x,y&chxl=0:|-1000|-500|0|+500|+1000|1:|84924|88779|92752&chxp=0,0,24.5,50,74.5,100|1,1,49,100&chdl=Int|SP|Has te|Mastery&chdls=dddddd,12&chco=69CCF0,9482C9,0070DE,FFF569&chg=5.0000,10,1,3&chtt=DPS%20S caling|Cybx%20Damage%20Per%20Second&chts=dddddd,18 (dps scaling img)

So, can i trust it and use int priority gems insted of mastery priority gems? thanks..

[EvreliaGaming]

Guys.

I simc my warlock (h tt p: / /us.battle.net/wow /pt/character/goldrinn/Cybx/advanced)

And Simc give me that int is way better than mastery (yeh i knew it, but i used the gems for 480+ilvl (more mastery than int))
I want to run with spell hit cap.. and running with 4717 haste.

h t t p: / /8.chart.apis.google.com/chart?chs=550x300&cht=lc&chf=bg,s,333333&chd=t:84924,85287,85667,86102,86489,86846,87277,8 7614,88021,88396,88779,89207,89570,89968,90366,90722,91132,91577,91897,92322,92752|85609,8 5916,86214,86572,86906,87198,87541,87829,88186,88456,88779,89134,89412,89774,90101,90430,9 0753,91060,91337,91690,92027|86371,86507,86696,86926,87131,87368,88183,88308,88519,88705,8 8779,89147,89362,89570,89787,89896,90082,90254,90439,90676,90838|86814,87054,87221,87402,8 7657,87857,87982,88218,88429,88600,88779,88974,89221,89402,89602,89747,89961,90172,90374,9 0537,90752&chds=84924,92752&chxt=x,y&chxl=0:|-1000|-500|0|+500|+1000|1:|84924|88779|92752&chxp=0,0,24.5,50,74.5,100|1,1,49,100&chdl=Int|SP|Has te|Mastery&chdls=dddddd,12&chco=69CCF0,9482C9,0070DE,FFF569&chg=5.0000,10,1,3&chtt=DPS%20S caling|Cybx%20Damage%20Per%20Second&chts=dddddd,18 (dps scaling img)

So, can i trust it and use int priority gems insted of mastery priority gems? thanks..

Mastery gems contain 2x the amount of the stat that intellect does, so intellect needs to be more than twice as good as mastery for it to be worth gemming.

[Viggers]

does anyone know why simcraft is valuing haste so highly suddenly for affli? i didnt see any changes to aff that would change our stats at all. and are we trusting the new sim haste>mastery or sticking to 4717 haste>mastery>haste?

[n0n3]

If your item level its above 495 you should go for 6637 haste.

[Viggers]

If your item level its above 495 you should go for 6637 haste.

updated my sig to show my locks armoury, im at 487. (my OH is upgraded but armoury doesnt show that)

[Kink]

updated my sig to show my locks armoury, im at 487. (my OH is upgraded but armoury doesnt show that)

You should be gemming for full mastery at your gear level(see my armory for an example), I'm at 491 and can't properly reach 6637 yet, still have a few too many crit pieces .

[Viggers]

You should be gemming for full mastery at your gear level(see my armory for an example), I'm at 491 and can't properly reach 6637 yet, still have a few too many crit pieces .

yeah, but since i still like to demo when i can, im sticking with the INT prio. sim puts mastery at almost exactly half of int and haste a bit higher so it shouldnt make much of a difference. im mostly trying to understand WHY sims have suddenly put haste at a higher value than mastery.

[Count Zero]

yeah, but since i still like to demo when i can, im sticking with the INT prio. sim puts mastery at almost exactly half of int and haste a bit higher so it shouldnt make much of a difference. im mostly trying to understand WHY sims have suddenly put haste at a higher value than mastery.

I'm also not gemming full mastery yet because I am Destro offspec (thinking about switching to Demo tho, just to mix things up). At least at my ilvl (485 equipped) I can't imagine the difference would be noticeable. Mastery is scaling at just above half of what Int scales for.

Not sure if the haste thing had to do with simc505-4, but I just upgraded to 505-5 and it's mastery>haste>hit for me (again, 485 ilvl)