"Gun Free Zones" around the President! Sign the petition.

[Cthulhu 2020]

I find myself repeatedly wondering if gun advocates even do their research, or if they just run to their favorite right-swinging news site to read about the bill and regurgitate "tehy wants to take ALL the rifles!"

[hakujinbakasama]

Feinstein's bill is rather specific actually. It doesn't just say "ban all teh assault rifles".

So tired of this...
http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/publ...ssault-weapons


Summary of 2013 legislation

Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation:

Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:
120 specifically-named firearms;
Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one or more military characteristics; and
Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds.
Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by:
Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test;
Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test; and
Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans.
Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.
Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:
Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment;
Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes; and
Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons.
Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:
Background check of owner and any transferee;
Type and serial number of the firearm;
Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration.

Just because you're slow doesn't mean the rest of us are.

ALSO, while I don't like the NRA they do generally know what they are talking about for once
http://www.nraila.org/legislation/fe...-ban-bill.aspx

[Wells]

Hey thanks, so like I said, rather specific.

[Obsession]

Virginia Tech guy used two semi-automatic pistols. Columbine had a semi-automatic carbine. Both of which as classified as assault weapons, and all of which were purchased legally.

2/3 out three of your examples could've had ended with more lives still intact and I didn't even research the last one.

If people put a little more creativity in their methods, or research, they could do more damage with 100% legal, unregulated substances.

Feinstein's specificity just so happens to ban all of the assault weapons, actually. Wait, jk "assault weapon" is a broad term that can cover any weapon you want it to for the sake of your argument.

[PizzaSHARK]

Hey thanks, so like I said, rather specific.

Doesn't really seem that way. 120 specifically named models, and then a stipulation about magazine sizes, when it's very easy to make a magazine of whatever size you'd like out of a steel blank and a spring. It also seems to be basing part of the ban on appearance, which is hilariously stupid.

This bill is basically SOPA for guns.

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If people put a little more creativity in their methods, or research, they could do more damage with 100% legal, unregulated substances.

Feinstein's specificity just so happens to ban all of the assault weapons, actually.

Hell, you can make something akin to napalm with gas and styrofoam cups. Should the Solo cup company be outlawed now? What about Exxon?

[hakujinbakasama]

Doesn't really seem that way. 120 specifically named models, and then a stipulation about magazine sizes, when it's very easy to make a magazine of whatever size you'd like out of a steel blank and a spring. It also seems to be basing part of the ban on appearance, which is hilariously stupid.

This bill is basically SOPA for guns.[COLOR="red"]

He's completely trolling at this point and he knows it.


Infracted.

[Wells]

That's a hell of a lot more specific than "ban the assault rifles!". You wanted to know "what that is" and the bill defines it.

And I don't see what there is based on appearance.

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He's completely trolling at this point and he knows it.

This is a violation of forum rules.

Just because you're slow doesn't mean the rest of us are.

as is this

[Beavis]

This petition thing is the greatest trolling tool ever. That Deport Piers Morgan one is just the best.

[anveena]

Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:
Background check of owner and any transferee;
Type and serial number of the firearm;
Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration.[/B]

I could stomach that law if this wasn't in it.

[Wells]

I could stomach that law if this wasn't in it.

Eh passing a law is a little like bargaining. You throw in stuff you know you won't get so that you have something to bargain down from.

[Beavis]

Hey thanks, so like I said, rather specific.

That's only specific if you don't know anything about guns. Not that it matters. This train wreck will never make it out of committee with the NFA grandfather stipulation.

[Wells]

That's only specific if you don't know anything about guns. Not that it matters. This train wreck will never make it out of committee with the NFA grandfather stipulation.

Mind you that's just the summary.

[Beavis]

Mind you that's just the summary.

Yeah, I know. They're going to name all of the currently manufactured "assault weapons" for direct bans, the military characteristic to get the AKs, and then use the feature bans to control AR home builds and prevent the rename trick that Colt does in California. It's pretty much a full on ban. Can't believe the NFA stuff though. I think Feinstein believes she'll be able to bargain on it and get the rest of this garbage through, but without a filibuster proof majority, this thing is dead anyway. No Republicans are going to risk getting Lugared over this.

[PizzaSHARK]

This petition thing is the greatest trolling tool ever. That Deport Piers Morgan one is just the best.

Shit, someone made one? brb, signing that shit. Problem is, where would we deport him to? I don't think the Brits would let us hand him back.

[Beavis]

Shit, someone made one? brb, signing that shit. Problem is, where would we deport him to? I don't think the Brits would let us hand him back.

Devil's Island sounds good to me.

[Edge-]

Shit, someone made one? brb, signing that shit. Problem is, where would we deport him to? I don't think the Brits would let us hand him back.

Why? Because people disagree with his opinions?

Fucking hell. Any time there's a major incident the crazies and the ignorant come out in force.

[BreathTaker]

Seriously, if people feel in danger, why would a president deserve a special treatment?
It's his duty to protect everyone, or join the crowd of unprotected ones.
Anyway - why bother, this president, another president, they'll find someone to offer to you for elections, don't worry. Presidents don't decide anything, they just represent a force

[Beavis]

Why? Because people disagree with is opinions?

Fucking hell. Any time there's a major incident the crazies and the ignorant come out in force.

It's because he's a dick. I happened to walk by his show in the lobby while leaving work 3 days in a row. All 3 times he was just yelling at his guests, calling them idiots for believing that the United States constitution protected their right to own an AR15. It was a Bill O'Reilly caliber performance and unfortunately for Piers, he's not O'Reilly.

[Edge-]

Presidents don't decide anything

Um, I think you need to revisit the what the powers and responsibilities of the executive office are.

It's because he's a dick. I happened to walk by his show in the lobby while leaving work 3 days in a row. All 3 times he was just yelling at his guests, calling them idiots for believing that the United States constitution protected their right to own an AR15. It was a Bill O'Reilly caliber performance and unfortunately for Piers, he's not O'Reilly.

By that right, we should "deport" half of MSNBC, whatever that channel Nancy Grace is on, and almost all of Fox News. Toss in a few from CNN and some other stations as well.

What a foolish thing to say. The man's loud, obnoxious, arrogant and a bit of a dick. That makes him fit in quite well with the world's perception of Americans.

[Palmatum]

This petition thing is the greatest trolling tool ever. That Deport Piers Morgan one is just the best.

It's also disgustingly ironic.

Gun owners getting pissy about a person expressing freedom of speech... and yet they moan when people discuss their right to own firearms.

Perhaps the people that signed that petition will happily waive their first amendment rights in order to keep their second amendment rights.