Looks like 5.4 might in fact be Siege

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Hasn't held them back from doing anything ever.

Never saw them scrap 3.2 because of our power level.

What he seems to be assuming is that Blizz bases NPC power on our iLevel. Honestly, raid bosses are all about the same NPC power level in the lore.

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1. They reduced stat inflation for cata because they saw how out of control they were at the end of wath. 4 tiers would have that again. 2. We've never gone over 100 from dungeon blues to final boss. At this rate we probably will but an addition raid would bring it to like 140. Way too much. A lot of bearing, as I said.

Considering they're still considering forcibly squishing numbers down, we're already past the event horizon in their eyes.

[skitzy129]

1. They reduced stat inflation for cata because they saw how out of control they were at the end of wath. 4 tiers would have that again. 2. We've never gone over 100 from dungeon blues to final boss. At this rate we probably will but an addition raid would bring it to like 140. Way too much. A lot of bearing, as I said.

Literally holds no bearing. They'll just jump ahead again in the next expansion gear like always. It doesn't matter in the slightest bit how far one expansion goes.

[Video Games]

Never saw them scrap 3.2 because of our power level.

What he seems to be assuming is that Blizz bases NPC power on our iLevel. Honestly, raid bosses are all about the same NPC power level in the lore.

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Considering they're still considering forcibly squishing numbers down, we're already past the event horizon in their eyes.

Yeah, they didn't scrap 3.2. Look what happened to our stats because of it. People were almost at the crit and haste caps. They don't want that again.

Literally holds no bearing. They'll just jump ahead again in the next expansion gear like always. It doesn't matter in the slightest bit how far one expansion goes.

Whatever you say. But just remmeber who told you 5.4 will be siege when they announce it.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Literally holds no bearing. They'll just jump ahead again in the next expansion gear like always. It doesn't matter in the slightest bit how far one expansion goes.

Interestingly, his number 1 is totally wrong. Cata had the worst stat inflation of any expansion in the game. It was all part of Blizz's failed plan to normalize health pools and thereby fix pvp.

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Yeah, they didn't scrap 3.2. Look what happened to our stats because of it. People were almost at the crit and haste caps. They don't want that again.

Just move the caps, then. It's not that hard to do considering it happens every expansion.

Or, and get this, give us more primary stats instead of secondary stats.

The only argument to jump right from ToT to SoO is "well Garrosh can't possibly beat Lei Shen anyway."

[Golden Yak]

OP has the right of it, I think. That's what I anticipate for the next couple of patches. Story build-up, and then final raid.

[Video Games]

Interestingly, his number 1 is totally wrong. Cata had the worst stat inflation of any expansion in the game. It was all part of Blizz's failed plan to normalize health pools and thereby fix pvp.

Um, no that would be wrath. 200-284. 84. 346-416. 70. Mathhhhhhhhhh.

[skitzy129]

Yeah, they didn't scrap 3.2. Look what happened to our stats because of it. People were almost at the crit and haste caps. They don't want that again.



Whatever you say. But just remmeber who told you 5.4 will be siege when they announce it.

That's cool. Doesn't mean its the end.

[McNeil]

It was kinda obvious to me already that Siege of Orgrimmar will be in 5.4, if 5.3 will be a lore patch like 5.1. I was right about Cata aswell, while the others went like ''we're gonna get 5 more tiers, we'll kill Deathwing in patch 4.8, we're gonna fight N'zoth and Azshara!''.

[Video Games]

Interestingly, his number 1 is totally wrong. Cata had the worst stat inflation of any expansion in the game. It was all part of Blizz's failed plan to normalize health pools and thereby fix pvp.

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Just move the caps, then. It's not that hard to do considering it happens every expansion.

Or, and get this, give us more primary stats instead of secondary stats.

The only argument to jump right from ToT to SoO is "well Garrosh can't possibly beat Lei Shen anyway."

They aren't going to move the caps mid expansion and they made primary stats in cata too good so they wanted to make secondary better so they arn't going to do that. And the arugument is blizzard doesn't want to make the same mistake again by inflating ilvl as much as wrath. This has nothing to do with npc power.

That's cool. Doesn't mean its the end.

So when they said siege would be the last raid, were you just not listening or..?

[Deleted]

if the siege is too early in 5.4 will entirely depent on 5.3 on how it will progress the story

looking forward too see the story line progress

[Zantos]

They aren't going to move the caps mid expansion and they made primary stats in cata too good so they wanted to make secondary better so they arn't going to do that. And the arugument is blizzard doesn't want to make the same mistake again by inflating ilvl as much as wrath. This has nothing to do with npc power.

The reason Ilevel got so out of control in wrath is due to heroic modes. You had 10-10heoric/25man-25heroic. You basically had three different tiers of ilevels in one raid set up.

[Video Games]

The reason Ilevel got so out of control in wrath is due to heroic modes. You had 10-10heoric/25man-25heroic. You basically had three different tiers of ilevels in one raid set up.

Yes and we still have that plus ilvl upgrades and thunderforged shit. They have to be careful.

[Snorri]

5.3 will be a patch to push the story forward, but could also include a new battleground.

[Dald]

To borrow an old line, "Too soon, Executus."

Let's run some numbers, because that's what we in WI do best. Keep in mind Blizz said Non-Raid patches take 2 months, raids take 4.

5.2 - Feb/March 2013
5.3 - Apr/May 2013
5.4 (SoO) - Aug/Sept 2013
Blizzcon (Expansion V revealed) - Sept/Oct 2013
Expansion V released - Q3 2014.

Whoops, Blizz just lost another 3 million subscribers because there's nearly a year without any new content added to the game.

If Blizz learned anything from Cata, they will have another tier between ToT and SoO.

And then we find out that the next expansion has been in the works since slightly before Cata and is already ready to be beta tested.

[Raptor With a Saber]

SoO

then...garroshs revenge

thats right he doesnt die in SoO but comes back for a 3man dungeon..

where you must...save...BEER

[Zantos]

Yes and we still have that plus ilvl upgrades and thunderforged shit. They have to be careful.

They are removing the ilevel upgrade ability and are unsure it will be put back. If its not put back in it wont cause the third raids ilevel to be to high. Im of the opinion it wont hold them back. Especially since if something like haste or crit cap would become a factor, they would change it asap.

[Baphomette]

5.2 - Feb/March 2013
5.3 - Apr/May 2013
5.4 (SoO) - Aug/Sept 2013
Blizzcon (Expansion V revealed) - Sept/Oct 2013
Expansion V released - Q3 2014.

Well we know what their goal is:

5.0 = Sept 2012
5.2 = March 2013
5.4 = Sept 2013
6.0 = March 2014

The only question is how much they slip from their targets.

[Xalzel]

I think that 5.3 will be a big non-tier patch. Probably have a new Battleground, a couple scenarios, some 5 mans, a new area with dalies, a wrathion quest that involves a very strong world boss (no loot but think server event to bring him down) some brawlers guild stuff and a pet battle like Red from pokemon (silver/gold/crystal). It will tie into SoO and explain what is happening and prepare us.

5.4 will be SoO and the final "tier" obviously be a raid, maybe a 5 man? a scenario and dalies.

5.5 will be a cool down patch. Focus of the Horde's recovery and tie into the next expansion. Some sort of raid (like Ruby Sanctum) with an extremely hard boss to tie into next xpack. This patch will include a test of some new features of next Xpack and will fill the void of finishing said next Xpack.
*an additional thing that I think would be awesome, they use the Challenge mode gear scaling system to allow us to do raids at proper gear. So those who don't finish T14 and 15 can get rolled back and try to beat those bosses at their proper level*

[Porimlys]

There probably wont be another raid between ToT and SoO

[mjolnir1122]

To borrow an old line, "Too soon, Executus."

Let's run some numbers, because that's what we in WI do best. Keep in mind Blizz said Non-Raid patches take 2 months, raids take 4.

5.2 - Feb/March 2013
5.3 - Apr/May 2013
5.4 (SoO) - Aug/Sept 2013
Blizzcon (Expansion V revealed) - Sept/Oct 2013
Expansion V released - Q3 2014.

Whoops, Blizz just lost another 3 million subscribers because there's nearly a year without any new content added to the game.

If Blizz learned anything from Cata, they will have another tier between ToT and SoO.

That's exactly why we can safely say there will most likely be 6 (7 if you count 6.0) this expansion. After pushing out content faster than ever before, do you think they're really going to make us wait an actual 12 months before a new expansion with absolutely nothing to do? Even if SoO is patch 5.4, then that means we will most likely get another raid before the new expansion.

Mists came out at a rather odd date, so the entire expansion schedule is a little screwy. If they had kept to the old schedule of taking an eternity to release patches, then it might have worked out a bit better, but since they are using a much improved schedule, it simply means we will be seeing more content.

Right before release, it was said that they were already working on the next expansion. So if none of the above is true, then that means the announcement at Blizzcon will be shortly followed by beta, which will then be followed by release sometime between the end of Q1 2014-middle of Q2 2014.

My money is that there will be another raid tier before or after SoO, and 2 subsequent MoP patches, along with 1 new expansion patch.