Putin puts troops in western Russia on alert in drill

[Cynep]

Just out of curiosity, do you also dislike the US acting like a bellicose imperialistic oligarchy?

May I also answer this from my own point of view?
As a Ukrainian, USA doesn't send their agents to disrupt life in my city and doesn't finance local criminals to aim their crimes at people who support united Ukraine. So USA is lesser evil by far.

[Deleted]

It's basically a geopolitical conflict between Russia and the United States. Nothing more, none of them care about freedom, democracy or ethic ...

The United States led by WallStreet and London want to create a world under their economic rules and want to increase the size of Europe which is their little puppet, while Russia wants to create a big Europe from portugal to Vladivostok to also do the same.

There a tons of things I could say about Ukraine's history, crimea's history and the current situation but since I'm not english I'm not really able to translate the few very interesting french political and economical blog I read. But the main idea is here. It's all about money and who will rule the world (thank you capt'n abvious I know ^^)

Now about telling who is the good and who is the bad ... the former Ukrainian president was forced to leave because he didn't accept the economical treaty Europe wanted him to sign since he prefered to continue his usual trade with Russia who offered even more money (Europe offered 600M per year while Russia offered 20Billions). As usual our DGSE, CIA, MI6 sent people to Ukraine to help the national socialists from the west of Ukraine to create riots. They killed a few unarmed cops with guns and a few days later the cops decided to fire back. Then our media said "watch ! cops are killing innocent people and it's a revolution!". I'll stop here for now but as you can see ... I'm not saying Putin is a good person (but I think he is a good president for Russia), but the European/Americen strategy here was (as usual) disgusting.

[Cynep]

It's basically a geopolitical conflict between Russia and the United States.

Yeah you're right, but there are 3 problems:
1) Russia is too small have a chance in this conflict.
2) Russia invaded a country that has been a "brotherly nation" before, no one likes traitors.
3) Russia promised to protect Ukraine when Ukraine gave up our nuclear weaponry (3rd largest in the world), but instead attacked us.

[Shalcker]

Yeah you're right, but there are 3 problems:
1) Russia is too small have a chance in this conflict.
2) Russia invaded a country that has been a "brotherly nation" before, no one likes traitors.
3) Russia promised to protect Ukraine when Ukraine gave up our nuclear weaponry (3rd largest in the world), but instead attacked us.

It's funny how Ukrainian propaganda works... All three are false.
1) US-Russia conflict would end with destruction of both sides - nuclear deterrence is based on a system where each country can destroy each other many times over.
2) Our relations never were that "brotherly", it was always Ukrainians wanting to have various preferences, and their new leadership changing perfectly good long-term contracts for immediate gain. They could have 50$ gas until 2015, but they chose European price to get transit fee instead.
3) We did protect Crimea. Your own government fault such protection allowed them to secede, they didn't even try to talk them into remaining in Ukraine or making any concessions.

[Kellhound]

It's funny how Ukrainian propaganda works... All three are false.
1) US-Russia conflict would end with destruction of both sides - nuclear deterrence is based on a system where each country can destroy each other many times over.
2) Our relations never were that "brotherly", it was always Ukrainians wanting to have various preferences, and their new leadership changing perfectly good long-term contracts for immediate gain. They could have 50$ gas until 2015, but they chose European price to get transit fee instead.
3) We did protect Crimea. Your own government fault such protection allowed them to secede, they didn't even try to talk them into remaining in Ukraine or making any concessions.

Not true, peace and total war are not the only options.

Crimea does show why you should never allow Russian Troops to be stationed in your country, as if that wasn't already known to be a bad idea.....

[Elegiac]

You calling Russia authoritarian state, is a direct insult for people who actually voted and chosen this person to be their leader

Legally discriminating against minorities and using the force of the law to silence opposition?

Also, I submit to you that not every authoritarian state has been either unpopular or seized power undemocratically. There was that one Reich across the Vistula, in the '30s.

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Just out of curiosity, do you also dislike the US acting like a bellicose imperialistic oligarchy?

I dislike some of the wars the US has engaged in historically, yes. But an imperialistic oligarchy? Hardly.

[Shalcker]

Not true, peace and total war are not the only options.

It's quite hard to create limited response in such case, especially considering how deluded Americans are now about Russian intentions and capabilities.

Crimea does show why you should never allow Russian Troops to be stationed in your country, as if that wasn't already known to be a bad idea.....

Well, they were not stationed in Donbass and Lugansk - does that look any better to you?

[Deleted]

Yeah you're right, but there are 3 problems:
1) Russia is too small have a chance in this conflict.
2) Russia invaded a country that has been a "brotherly nation" before, no one likes traitors.
3) Russia promised to protect Ukraine when Ukraine gave up our nuclear weaponry (3rd largest in the world), but instead attacked us.

Russia is small but Russia is not powerless. For example they have a vast quantity of natural ressources (which are real wealth, unlike WallStreet banker's speculations which produce nothing except major crisis). And time is on the side of Russia because it's likely the European Union will crumble someday since it grew big but very weak inside. The EU has a lot of economical problems and is the zone with the lowest growth of the world since the Euro was created. When one or two EU countries will say "we don't want the Euro anymore", Russia will breathe.

Speaking about Crimea. Crimea was part of Russia during a long time but during the USSR, Russia gave Crimea to Ukraine (it's like merging Mississipi and Louisiana for example ... who cares?) and after the end of USSR, Crimea became an autonomous republic in the territory of Ukraine. But most people living in crimea are Russian people (more than 60%) and since the new government came to power in Ukraine, people living in Crimea feared the new Ukrainian governement led by national socialists because these people hate Russian people (imagine Ukraine as a country split in two, really, there is the west and the east and in the west there are a lot of NAZI, yes NAZI, for real). And so there was a referendum in Crimea and they asked the EU "send us observers we don't want you to say our referendum is not legal" and EU said "we wont come because we can only come if the national socialist Gouvernment of Ukraine asks us lol" (funny no?) and after the referendum where 85% of the crimean people said "we want to be russian" EU said "well it was not legal lol" (people have to remember that the EU highly dislikes referendums. In 2005 people said no to the european constitution and 2 years after the parliament said "who care what people think, we are the parliament we go for it". The Eu pretends to bring democracy but there is very few democracy in the european institutions).

Speaking about the Russian attack there is a lot of desinformation about it. There have been fake pics of russian soldiers, pics of people with eyes pulled out who turned to absolutely something else and the people didn't even had their eyes pulled out, news about battle in cities while the few reporters who went in the cities only saw a few people in the street talking and phoning ... where is the truth?

As usual I'm not saying Putin is a saint but this whole situation has completely been created by the EU/US because they don't want Russia's sphere of influence to expand. And when you come to think about the benefit for the EU if Ukraine joins the EU, there is no Benefit. Nothing ! Ukraine will be forced to spend tons of money because their industry will have to give in the EU standards while european people will be forced to pay more taxes to give the 600M every year. People don't win here, the one who win are bankers and the EU/US oligarchy.

[Shalcker]

Legally discriminating against minorities and using the force of the law to silence opposition?

Like "Occupy" movement?

There is no "legal" discrimination against minorities with exception to cases related to public order.

[Elegiac]

Like "Occupy" movement?

There is no "legal" discrimination against minorities with exception to cases related to public order.

Legally as in legislating against them. Like the law against discussing homosexuality in Russia.

[Deleted]

Legally as in legislating against them. Like the law against discussing homosexuality in Russia.

Or not letting homosexuals adopt.

[Charge me Doctor]

Legally as in legislating against them. Like the law against discussing homosexuality in Russia.

This topic was discussed million times, if government "allow" or "approve" homosexuality, it will lead to major unrest and discontent from people. Yes, it sucks for homexuals to live in Russia, but majority of our culture is not ready to accept them because of high influence of church.

You probably don't understand that authoritarian state is a state with self-proclaimed ruler, whose power power is defined only by its own wish.

[Seo]

Like the law against discussing homosexuality in Russia.

Not discussing, but propaganda. There's a lot of discussing in tv shows, mostly neutral or negative (and I deeply convinced it's right - there's no need to praise gays).

Or not letting homosexuals adopt.

You're saying it as if it is something bad.

[jugzilla]

Or not letting homosexuals adopt.

And this was also common sense in most of the western world until only a few years ago. And many in the west are still against this, but don't care enough about it to stick their heads up and take all the fire from downrange. Aside from that,...

The west does not make enough babies to continue its population, or even support it's aging population as they grow old and cannot take care of themselves. Hence you have immigration. To be clear, the west encourages immigration not to grow their country, or even provide for poor sods in terrible countries, but to prop up their decaying labor force. The US is blessed to be able to import cheap labor from Mexico, which is a hard working, strong family culture with some of the best food in the world. Europe has to get their labor from North Africa. Sharia law, chopping off the heads of your servicemen in the city streets, not integrating into your culture, killing their daughters for the sin of integrating, good luck Europe.

Putin see's it a different way. He wants Russians to create more Russians.

This one made me laugh out loud, when Putin hired Boyz 2 Men

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...irth-rate.html

But it is clear to me he understands the problem his culture faces, death by lack of births. While the west is so easily convinced to destroy their own culture in the interest of preserving national borders, Putin does kind of stand alone here. No other country is trying to increase domestic birthrates, they would rather increase imigration and let domestic births slide. I don't get that.

[Elegiac]

This topic was discussed million times, if government "allow" or "approve" homosexuality, it will lead to major unrest and discontent from people. Yes, it sucks for homexuals to live in Russia, but majority of our culture is not ready to accept them because of high influence of church.

You probably don't understand that authoritarian state is a state with self-proclaimed ruler, whose power power is defined only by its own wish.

Very well, if that is the case I will call your culture disgusting and reprehensible since it places so much emphasis on marginalizing a minority.

Authoritarian states do not have to be autocracies, nor do they have to come into being by seizing power. Again, the Third Reich is an example of this.

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And this was also common sense in most of the western world until only a few years ago. And many in the west are still against this, but don't care enough about it to stick their heads up and take all the fire from downrange. Aside from that,...

Largely because the science doesn't support there being any negatives surrounding it and those ignorant of science should, quite frankly, keep their heads out of policy.

The west does not make enough babies to continue its population, or even support it's aging population as they grow old and cannot take care of themselves. Hence you have immigration. To be clear, the west encourages immigration not to grow their country, or even provide for poor sods in terrible countries, but to prop up their decaying labor force. The US is blessed to be able to import cheap labor from Mexico, which is a hard working, strong family culture with some of the best food in the world. Europe has to get their labor from North Africa. Sharia law, chopping off the heads of your servicemen in the city streets, not integrating into your culture, killing their daughters for the sin of integrating, good luck Europe.

Putin see's it a different way. He wants Russians to create more Russians.

This one made me laugh out loud, when Putin hired Boyz 2 Men

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...irth-rate.html

But it is clear to me he understands the problem his culture faces, death by lack of births. While the west is so easily convinced to destroy their own culture in the interest of preserving national borders, Putin does kind of stand alone here. No other country is trying to increase domestic birthrates, they would rather increase imigration and let domestic births slide. I don't get that.

Primarily because children are an expensive luxury in first world societies and women are now capable of not overburdening themselves with children via contraceptives - and public assistance has not yet evolved to the point where it can adequately care for a surfeit of children. Immigration is ultimately the best solution in the short term because it keeps the population and economy growing while at the same time allowing for the importation of useful cultural aspects from abroad.

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You're saying it as if it is something bad.

Which it is, because the science doesn't support your viewpoint in the least.

[Charge me Doctor]

Very well, if that is the case I will call your culture disgusting and reprehensible since it places so much emphasis on marginalizing a minority.

Authoritarian states do not have to be autocracies, nor do they have to come into being by seizing power. Again, the Third Reich is an example of this.

Ok then, but just for your information, about said minority, gay people are minority, some of them want to marry (minority^2) and some of potentially married gay couples want to adopt kids (minority^3). Do you really think that allowing this thing is really good idea? Do you think catering to this minority is not going to end as disaster? If yes, then you probably don't understand much about life. And just as a reminder, all this gay hustle started not that long ago, and Russia has great history of getting everything culture-related "late" (did you know that dubstep thingy became popular in Russia like, a year ago?). And i hate when people think that if in their country something made this way, it means that all other countries should be same.

Nope, Third Reich is not an example of this.

[Elim Garak]

Legally as in legislating against them. Like the law against discussing homosexuality in Russia.

No such law.

Or not letting homosexuals adopt.

No such law.

[Seo]

I will call your culture disgusting and reprehensible

GG calling one of the world richest cultures disgusting only because they don't praise gays. No wonder why most people here in Ukraine and Russia don't want to have anything to do with Gayrope.

[Charge me Doctor]

Which it is, because the science doesn't support your viewpoint in the least.

Oh please, do tell me how your imaginary "science" supports sticking sticks in wheels of bicycle you ride

[Deleted]

You're saying it as if it is something bad.

It is. How could it be bad?