I'd be alright with that. Avatar also seems very "warriory" I feel like 3 minutes is too long of a cooldown though.
To replace it, it should be something AoE focused in the talents. Maybe that could be a way to bring back slam aoe
Blade Dancing (someone come up with a cool name):
Arms - Slam and execute now hit all targets within 5 yards of the primary target for 50% damage while sweeping strikes is active
Fury - Raging blow now hits twice as many targets while your meat cleaver buff is active
Prot - Shield slam hits all targets within 5 yards for 50% damage when on sword and board procs (idk, just throwing that one out lol)
Basically you have sustained aoe, something between burst and sustain with bloodbath or for 2-4 targets (and let normal sweeping strikes hits get benefit from bloodbath, I'm not actually sure if they already do or not), and then burst aoe with bladestorm.
Tier 90 should become Bladestorm, Ravager, and one other AoE ability (maybe Dragon Roar, but DR and Bladestorm fill such similar roles it's hard to see both having a niche, one will always beat the other), so all of the AoE talents show up there, except shockwave. Instead of having 2 baseline aoe abilities and 3 maybes, we end up with 3 baseline aoes and 1 maybe (and the maybe is more useful as an aoe stun than raw damage). Makes a pretty big difference.I'd really rather not be turned into a class that is only good for how much AoE it can do. We've already got Dragon Roar/Shockwave and Bladestorm, and Ravager if we need lots of AoE, we don't need yet another bloody talent for AoE :P
I remember it too, but you know what else I remember that you are forgetting? Sitting around 10 minutes waiting to pull. There is no advantage to that type of gameplay and it doesn't make the game fun. Being able to use your abilities once a login session, or once a BG isn't fun either. This isn't D&D 1 day cooldowns.
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As Exhil said, we have more than enough AoE at the moment, in fact I daresay a few times we have too much. More than we could use on burst (which most encounters are) and so much that the abilities overlap and trip over themselves during sustained.
All they need for Recklessness is bump it up a bit. There is nothing wrong with the CD or how it works, it just needs a buff. No one had any complaints about it this tier at 30%.
I remember when reck shared a CD with shield wall and retaliation...but this thread is 6.0 related :P
And I agree with arch. You would literally sit on those CDs until it was an emergency, and even then you would sometimes sit on them and they would just never get used. It wasn't fun.
I like the idea of an AoE Tier. Ravager, Bladestorm and Blade Barrier (from early Alpha) should do the trick.
What with Stormbolt is made baseline for Fury, without the stun component and big dmg to unstunnable targets? So a talent in the same tier as Shockwave could add stun to the SB. That way it doens't break PvP and you have to choose between AoE or single target stun.
Also, I like the idea of turning Avatar a baseline CD. Maybe turn Recklessness a Talent (like they are doing to mage's mirror image) and buff it to be competitive? Avatar could add the 20% dmg increase it does and for Arms add some Mastery, for Fury some Crit (or Multi Strike) and for Prot Mastery (or Crit, or both, or another). All classes have a CD that directly increases their dmg (heal) output. We shouldn't have a CD that maybe will increase the dmg output (in early tiers).
There is no maybe though, its a scaling talent. It's only problem is 15% is too weak and is incredibly underwhelming for its cooldown.
Storm Bolt wont get baseline (though I would love it!).
And the only issue with putting all the AoE talents on a single tier is you dont really get a lot of decision making. Bladestorm v Ravager... well you are always going to take the one that is scaled the best and does the most damage. The talents would have to be wildly different for there to be decision making in there; and I think that is the reason the talents were spread out more than they are.
I was the first to say that I think the amount of AoE talents we have access to is a bit overdone; I don't think it is particularly a problem. If anything, it frees us to look at an encounter, decide how much AoE we need, take those talents and then pass up the others in lieu of Single Target cooldowns. Whether or not it will work out like that in practice is determined by the encounter design.
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i think it's shitty at 30%. the only reason it's not the worst thing ever is because bloodthirst has double crit chance. i just haven't mentioned it because it hasn't come up.
i think an 8-10 min cd (provided that it was sufficiently powerful) would be okay, especially if it got reset on wipe, so it wouldn't even be an issue in pve. but it's whatever, if recklessness is meh, it won't be the end of the world.
The WoD version I think would acceptable at 20-25% and 1 minute cooldown. At low gear levels it could still be crap, but at higher gear levels it would be decent and at least then you could line it up with some of the bigger talents /shrug.
I'd still like to see Avatar be competitve, talent or no.
I'd love if blizzard devs were that smart, best solution for PVE/PVP SB interaction so far.
I believe the problem with it is related to PVP, since they're >apparently< removing strong bursts from everyone...
But sincerely I agree with you, a 10min CD that you can only use once at an Arena match should be fine...
This. Right now it looks like warrior DPS are going to be little tornadoes with blades sticking out. Making my choice of warrior name all the more appropriate. Ultimately we have to hope the encounters themselves lead us to made a decision or two for different combinations. I'd comment on the suck that reck has become, but I don't even get to use it as prot .
10 min CD's... Really? C'mon really?
Dumbest fucking thing I have ever read. and...
I will say it again.
DUMBEST FUCKING THING EVER!
Please keep it civil. Infracted
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There is also this thing
Speaking of 10 min CD's, over on the mage forums they are calling for a 10 minute CD for Execute because it hits really, really hard and it can kill you. #civil #yolo
Don't you do it, sjsctt. Nothing to see here, folks. Please move along.
Darkfiend ain't got nothing on me...
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