Sanctioning russia has cost EU countries €30bn

[Warning]

That's true. But its not USSR manual they are using and its not Russian fault, its normal for any developing country. Those people had nothing before. Now they want money, so they go to politics to steal money. Choice between politicians in any developing country is choice between thieves.


Also true. Many genuinely believe that Russia started mess in Ukraine that resulted in all of that, forgetting military coup that actually started all that shit, that was sponsored by NATO countries.

NATO is the aggressor here, not Russia.

You're dead wrong, eastern European countries have faced Russian aggression and influence way before the Maidan. Read up on the Russo-Georgian War or the Cyber attacks on Estonia. Russia is by no means a peaceful compared to NATO, if the situation were reversed and they were as dominant over NATO as NATO is over them now I guarantee you that several Eastern European countries would not exist right now.

Meanwhile, EU countries are allowing USA to build missile bases next to Russia. If I was Putin, I would do the same thing. USA and NATO has always been the aggressors. They are far from peace makers and this is personal experience as I have lived in a warzone. I don't need to read news.

They want and allow that because of their awareness of the threat Russia poses. Ask yourself why Russia is the only country receiving this treatment. Is it because we like spending money bullying a random country or might it be because of their illegal and oppressive conduct on the international stage.

[hellhamster]

Ever? What about if younger Russians get tired of being a pariah nation and throw off Putin and co., then institute a true democracy in Russia? Still no peace?

If that's what the media tell us, then yeah. If the media tell us to jump off a bridge, we will do that too. God forbid we listen to more than one side of the story and consider there are foul agendas playing here more often than not.

[pateuvasiliu]

Thoughts on what? Russia invaded a fucking country and took over a chunk of it. No tolerance, no peace.

Until they get the fuck out of Crimea and pay for the damages the sanctions should only get higher.

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Sanctions punish the wrong people. Why should the Russian poor suffer because of the ruling classes crimes?.

By that logic we should never fight back in a war because the poor soldiers are just conscripts.

[Noradin]

http://www.wifo.ac.at/jart/prj3/wifo...etail-view=yes

New survey from WIFO shows that EUs economic sanctions against Russia has backfired and cost european countries billions in euros due to losing income from exports.

It also shows that EU countries have had a hard time to find other buyers for the merchandise being exported, particularly during the first year of sanctions.

Thoughts on this?

Backfired?

Everyone knows that sanctions always cost money to enforce, but sometimes you have to use them, money isn't everything.
The EU can afford to pass on this money, for Russia the effects are much more severe. That is why sanctions work on them.

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Wahhh Europe loses a bit of exports because of sanctions against a hostile power... wahhhh...

Yes, sanctions having this effect on exports was totally unexpected, right? ^^

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Would rather have a Russia we can talk to on some level. It's places like UAE and Saudi Arabia that truly can go to hell.

The great thing about reality is that you can work on more than one issue at a time.

[Tackhisis]

Russia invaded a fucking country and took over a chunk of it.

Who invaded whom?

[Forogil]

Who invaded whom?

Russia invaded part of Ukraine in 2014.
Russia invaded part of Georgia in 2008.
These are close together after a longer than usual interruption, previously it happened regularly after about 12 years of peace.
Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in 1979.
Soviet Union and others invaded Czechoslovakia in 1968.
Soviet Union invaded Hungary in 1956.
Soviet Union invaded parts of Poland, parts of Finland, and the Baltic states in 1939.

[Deleted]

How exactly is Russia hostile towards EU?

I mean my life time they murdered someone on British soil?

[slime]

Ever? What about if younger Russians get tired of being a pariah nation and throw off Putin and co., then institute a true democracy in Russia? Still no peace?

I was going to ask the same thing. Sure didn't look like everyone in Russia was happily celebrating Putin's Bday yesterday.

[Ahovv]

No way. No peace with Russia. Not now. Not ever.

Is neoconservatism supposed to be the new edgy thing?

[Forogil]

Seeing the posts here arguing against the sanctions it seems that the sanctions are felt by Russia.
If it really costs €30bn it's worth it, but based on the problems with doing business in Russia (due to corruption) I'm not certain that the numbers are correct.

[Mittens]

Thoughts? Let's build a pipeline!!!!

[Deleted]

Is neoconservatism supposed to be the new edgy thing?

be thankful it usually takes him 2000 words to say that.

[Razorice]

Russia invaded part of Ukraine in 2014.
Russia invaded part of Georgia in 2008.
These are close together after a longer than usual interruption, previously it happened regularly after about 12 years of peace.
Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in 1979.
Soviet Union and others invaded Czechoslovakia in 1968.
Soviet Union invaded Hungary in 1956.
Soviet Union invaded parts of Poland, parts of Finland, and the Baltic states in 1939.

Thank god US never invaded anyone.

[Noradin]

Thank god US never invaded anyone.

You are right! Whyever did nobody ever spot that before!
Russia should immideately sanction them! Or maybe Iran should do it!
That will show them!

[Razorice]

You are right! Whyever did nobody ever spot that before!
Russia should immideately sanction them! Or maybe Iran should do it!
That will show them!

I completely agree with you.

[pateuvasiliu]

Thank god US never invaded anyone.

USA didn't invade any country next to the EU.

[Razorice]

USA didn't invade any country next to the EU.

Why does that even matter?
Close or not, it's still an invasion.

[pateuvasiliu]

Why does that even matter?
Close or not, it's still an invasion.

Russia invading countries close to the EU makes them a threat to the EU.

The US invading Iraq didn't affect Europe at all.

[Forogil]

You are right! Whyever did nobody ever spot that before!
Russia should immideately sanction them! Or maybe Iran should do it!
That will show them!

Or boycott the Olympics! That will really show the US!

[Deleted]

The US invading Iraq didn't affect Europe at all.

I assume this is sarcasm.