Trump’s Immigration Address And Democratic Response: Live

[DarkTZeratul]

In any sane country where the opposition party didn't hate the nation and their very constituents, it would have absolute bipartisan support.

In any sane country they'd be pushing for effective legislation to overhaul the entire immigration and border system, rather than pushing for an ineffective and expensive monument to their would-be-dictator's vanity.

[Captain N]

The GOP isn't the opposition party, they are in the majority - and they clearly hate most of the people in this country. Look at what they've done (or haven't done) in the last two years. Complete control over the government, and all they have to show for it is a Tax Break for the Rich.

But they're a party that supports pedophiles, rapists, white supremacy, and other folks who support human rights violations...and considering Knadra's support for both Trump and Kavanaugh it's pretty obvious that anyone against the aforementioned are the enemy.

[Edge-]

A partial wall is not worth giving an inch on. In any sane country where the opposition party didn't hate the nation and their very constituents, it would have absolute bipartisan support.

There is bipartisan support for sensible, realistic, effective border security. Democrats already passed that bipartisan budget, Trump blew it up. And now the GOP can't even internally agree on a position, much less bring any actual solutions to present to Democrats for a negotiation.

You need to take some spin classes, dude.

[Deletedaccount1]

In any sane country they'd be pushing for effective legislation to overhaul the entire immigration and border system, rather than pushing for an ineffective and expensive monument to their would-be-dictator's vanity.

True, but faulting Trump for being the first politician in a position to make a difference and take this issue seriously is not fair. Both parties neglected this issue for too long.

[cubby]

But they're a party that supports pedophiles, rapists, white supremacy, and other folks who support human rights violations...and considering Knadra's support for both Trump and Kavanaugh it's pretty obvious that anyone against the aforementioned are the enemy.

I try and hold out hope for people like Knadra - we had some ground-breaking discussions about immigration yesterday. But then he posts these factual lies about the Dems, and it just seems so useless to try and have a conversation with someone so out of touch with reality. And then I start thinking about how to bring the country back together again, and if that's how even moderate Trumpkins think/feel, how can we ever find common ground.

I mean, Knadra literally said the Dems hate the nation. How can you even break ground with kind of insane thinking?

[Deletedaccount1]

The GOP isn't the opposition party, they are in the majority - and they clearly hate most of the people in this country. Look at what they've done (or haven't done) in the last two years. Complete control over the government, and all they have to show for it is a Tax Break for the Rich. Which has caused our deficit to skyrocket.

It was disappointing to be sure but there is more to show for it than just that.

[Noxx79]

Not worth it just for the wall. If it was the wall + additional security measures + deportations + an expansion to e-verify + ending work visas + stopping remittances then it might be worth considering. A partial wall is not worth giving an inch on. In any sane country where the opposition party didn't hate the nation and their very constituents, it would have absolute bipartisan support.

The republicans are only the minority party in the house.

[cubby]

True, but faulting Trump for being the first politician in a position to make a difference and take this issue seriously is not fair. Both parties neglected this issue for too long.

No, they didn't. Both parties have put up a number of major immigration reform packages. You're just ignoring that because THE WALL.

[Felya]

True, but faulting Trump for being the first politician in a position to make a difference and take this issue seriously is not fair. Both parties neglected this issue for too long.

He isn’t the first, he is the only one to push for the wall.

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No, they didn't. Both parties have put up a number of major immigration reform packages. You're just ignoring that because THE WALL.

Just ignore DACA or the fence Trump keeps mentioning.

[Edge-]

True, but faulting Trump for being the first politician in a position to make a difference and take this issue seriously is not fair. Both parties neglected this issue for too long.

"Difference" alone isn't a positive. I mean, he could propose a moat of fire around the US and that would be "different", and threaten to declare a state of emergency (as he's threatening to do now) to get it. His "position" to "make a difference" is threatening to upend normal governance and potentially undermine and ignore Constitutionally separated powers.

Both parties haven't neglected it, there were a handful of attempts at bipartisan comprehensive immigration reform. Republicans have blown it up each and every time.

This was the last attempt and it had passed the Senate with bipartisan support, and Boehner stonewalled it - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_o..._(immigration)

This is a losing issue for your narrative.

[Deletedaccount1]

Oh look it's the "6 people making ad hominem comments replying to 1 person" game. Very fun.

[Edge-]

Oh look it's the "6 people making ad hominem comments replying to 1 person" game. Very fun.

You posted something. Many people disagree and respond. What's your problem here?

[Felya]

Oh look it's the "6 people making ad hominem comments replying to 1 person" game. Very fun.

OMG... your opinion is not popular... the horror...

[Belize]

True, but faulting Trump for being the first politician in a position to make a difference and take this issue seriously is not fair. Both parties neglected this issue for too long.

Except he isn't suggesting anything that will make a difference. Pull your head out of your ass for once.

[AboikoS]

He and his followers are retarded...

I like how he brings up crime and illegals but doesn't also mention white or black crime stats...literally worse than Hispanic crimes

It's over, no SOE so I guess hey

According to stats only asians commit less crimes than whites. They also on average earn more than whites in america, does that mean there's a asian privilege? Just curious.

[Skroe]

Do you expect anything more out of Tijuana?

DocSavageFan is that old skidmark?

[Deletedaccount1]

No, they didn't. Both parties have put up a number of major immigration reform packages. You're just ignoring that because THE WALL.

Which have all accomplished nothing. Illegals still flood across the border like a plague and frequently overstay their visas. How hard would it be to stop giving work visas to these people? What is the point of E-Verify if companies can still hire illegals with no repercussions?

[Belize]

Oh look it's the "6 people making ad hominem comments replying to 1 person" game. Very fun.

Maybe you shouldn't post nonsense then.

Now run along and go cry to your mommy about how people online aren't receptive to your nonsense. And for the love of god, go be a snowflake somewhere else, you insecure victim complexers are rather tiresome.

[Noxx79]

According to stats only asians commit less crimes than whites. They also on average earn more than whites in america, does that mean there's a asian privilege? Just curious.

Did you walk into the wrong thread? Or did you just have a stroke?

[Deletedaccount1]

You posted something. Many people disagree and respond. What's your problem here?

There's only so much Knadra to go around.